Operation Green Hunt
Naxalite - by Asian Dub Foundation(2003)
Tuesday, June 21, 2011
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All the clips and sappy music doesn’t change the fact that these naxalites are terrorist. So all my gratitude is for the CRPF for eradicating our society from these terrorist. Keep up the good work, the whole Nation is behind you.
ReplyDeletePeople who have driven 400,000 farmers to suicide are not murderers, people who have committed genocide in Gujarat and Delhi are not murderers, people who have caused hunger & malnutrition to >40% of children causing thousands, if not millions, of unnecessary deaths are not murderers, people who kill revolutionaries in cold blood in the name of fake encounters are not murderers; they are all men of God. Unfortunately even your courts do not think so; refer to the recent decision of Kerala HC in one such fake encounter case. We have already seen a lot of crap from you. Come up with something better or shsh.
ReplyDeleteWho had driven 400,000 farmers to suicide? Name Please
ReplyDeleteWho had committed genocide in Gujarat and Delhi? Name Please
Who had caused hunger & malnutrition? Name please
Whenever Maoist/ Communist Kill people it is ok? And whenever police hunt down terrorist that is fake encounter?
@maximilien
ReplyDeleteDon't feed the trolls
Well Said Abahy, this is the best way to avoid the question of reality and start a revolution on Hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteThe voice of people may be the voice of God,
ReplyDeleteBut all Indian administration never listen the voice of public, they always dominated the voice with power and Guns, But remember change is not so faraway, that coming near by near day by day. innocent and haves nots people are ready to give up their lives,revolutionaries are not like those fucking corrupters who flee away in the time of trouble. how many people will kill by CRPF and other force ? revolujtionaries never end, yes sometimes it may back but not diminished it will come again and again untill the injustice remains in society.Remember brother revolutionary never be alone, thousand of haves nots will follow to it.
I loved the way these videos are made.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting yet emotional.
The first one explains everything about naxalite merely by pictures are a song.
Very Nice.
ReplyDeleteI feel bad about the condition.
There is no solution unless corruption and bureaucracy is there.
Dr Malpani Why do you think a country can exist with out bureaucracy? Do you know any country without bureaucrat?
ReplyDeleteDROHI , I was wondering Whenever Maoist/ Communist Kill people it is ok? And whenever police hunt down terrorist that is fake encounter? why is that?
Shock of Reality, how much do you get paid to serve this archaic, obsolete and bloody regime? shame on you. couldn't they get you another job?
ReplyDeleteHi Green Red, Do You think I get paid for this? I wish that was true. I am not from a lavish family, After working hard all day long at the office, when I get back home, I try to find the truth on my own. Is searching for the truth is a crime in you eyes? is that what you think?
ReplyDeleteHi my antagonistic brother Shock of Reality. In such complicated society with myriads of layers of class, caste difference with variety of languages and so forth, for opposing views talking is hard but, not impossible. Do i really think you got paid? in my life, i have solely had a couple of encountering relations with a couple of Indian fellows here and there that, i really do not know them. First times of conversing, i had imagined you might be the very hard core Maoist endorser of this site who is dictating me to organize my post - incident - terribly hurt mind. Later, I comprehended that it was not so, hence I am trying to catch up. Paid? If directly paid you take it, then accept my apology. Islamic regime of Iran has hacked, hired and wired so many progressive (left and right!) Iranian sites and groups (even having Islamic Republic lobbyists in the US right along with Zionist alike of theirs) that, makes it probable for anybody to be an agent for a state or what have you. But your last two sentences catches me off guard (now i gather why i wrote about a terrible incident of pass); is searching for the truth is a crime in you eyes?
ReplyDeleteSometimes you write outstanding clear sentences. but in this last one, I shall go step by step and, if it takes a year, hundred years, sigma number of supposed reincarnations, i shall do my best to humbly serve the truth seeker. That is though, as long as, when things make sense, it is stated where it is said. Me, you, it doesn't matter. If I or you made a point or two, right here we ought to declare its existence and, thenceforth we believe and apply it in our lives directly to save our "soul", "karma" or, what have you. Is that cool with you my friend? Taking these terms as they are, then I promise honestly to, clearly, vividly and honestly deal with that very said ending couple of questions of your. Are we in brother shock? that if truth sought by a person is A CRIME IN MY EYES... point by point I shall serve though, it may contain personal past experiences of life, science, theory, quotations and summaries, various paths of reasoning to find the truth you have sought.
With all due respect to you and hoping to be on the same side someday, some way,
your Iranian cousin
Green Red (that reads clearly environmentalist communist of a sort)
well it's true that Iranian govt is very strict about these things, just the other day I was watching a story on YouTube how Iranian govt strictly control internet there.
ReplyDeleteabout the second part, I didn't get what ever you wrote.
About the issue of Iran I was wondering you born in Iran but why you went to USA? you should go to russia, china or north korea. then why you moved to USA?
you can email me your answer at samiyaniloka@gmail.com
Thank you for sharing this video's with us. And you know what they say. A picture (or in this case a video) says more than a 1000 words.
ReplyDeleteHi Shock
ReplyDeleteYour asking about Russia and North Korea and China itself makes my heart too cold to be able to communicate with you. In previous talks that at times you found them too confusing, i have clearly stated that in the least the Chinese regime is not a true socialism. I have already stated that mistakes have been made in the twentieth century left. nevertheless, due to those earned experiences that were very difficult to obtain too (in world war II that Ford and GM and IBM corporations had their hands in support of NAZI regime 6 million Jews, Gays and Gypsies - Indians in exile - were killed plus over twenty millions of people of the Soviet Union and lots and lots of people of China attacked by Japan)..... Those days are over. I believe that Indian Maoists have their own nature and wisdom and they are the greatest hope of a big chunk of humanity that have been abused for much too long since the Aryans came over and imposed their caste system. Regime Islamic Republic is very terrible one but, looking at the statistics of suicides, Dalits being raped and abused and many, many other factors Hindu Fascist regime is no better or no worse. Long Live Communism, Long Live Naxalite Movement and, for your matter, listen to what Black Panther Party USA leaders used to say: If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem
Look at what you had said above:
Is searching for the truth is a crime in you eyes? is that what you think?
Is searching for the truth is a crime in you eyes you said.
you eyes... you meant your eyes with a r in the end? and to is in a sentence makes it unreadable.
Truth is subjective. Reality is facts. I don't believe that ninety something percent of the people in India - even in the urban areas can have medical coverage in a good position. how do they get their hands to the people in DK Jungle?
Since you brought it down to supplying an e mail, the case is closed. You will be always welcome, whenever you admit your misjudgment about the revolutionary peasants of India. Look deeper in this very site and you will fine My Shocking statement. Ex prime minister V.P Singh's saying is what gives my heart reason to pound and beat for a better day for humanity through struggle tomorrow. This deceased gentleman had said:
"Yes. I want to become a Maoist if this is the model of development. But I can’t at this age."-V.P Singh (Former Prime Minister of India)
If you cannot digest this favorite part of the truth for me, i advise you to either retire or, join Salwa Judum and history will answer how wrong you may be.
It is never too late Shock, Hind needs to become Azad. Lal Salaam Shock
All these mambo jumbo you said about Russia and North Korea and China Doesn’t really explain why you moved to USA? Especially when communists consider USA as a capitalist country!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah you said well “Truth is subjective. Reality is facts.” That’s why I am not “Shock of Truth” I am “Shock of Reality”. And that’s why I strongly believe that the communist system can only bring short term development; but in long run they only bring dictatorial government & more misery to people.
@ abhay
ReplyDeleteIf stating the obvious reality is "feeding the trolls" for people like you then you are in a different class, a class which became affluent overnight at the expense of the majority of Indians.
"a class which became affluent overnight at the expense of the majority of Indians."
ReplyDeleteHa ha what an idiotic idea. the way you are saying it seems like you can set back and relax and everyone else just come and give you the money. But in reality you have to work hard to make money.
Our family wasn't a rich family, my parents came from bangladesh almost empty handed, they worked hard and got a decent life. and I am working hard and getting a better life. if my kids work hard they can also get better life then me. So if a poor person decide to work hard he can get a better life. and that's how the world move. And I was wondering what is wrong with that? Can you explain?
Idiots dare to call other peoples opinion idiotic idea. This is also a class war online and, this dude certainly ain't on the people side. why you f ing with the people?
ReplyDeletewell few hundreds year ago when man used to thought that sun moves around the earth. and they were certainly wrong. And I believe their Idea was an idiotic idea. But one person dare to tell the truth to them that in reality earth moves around the sun. He didn't care about the people's feelings; he just have to let them know the truth.
ReplyDeleteGet a Grip on yourself shocked idiot, "few hundred year ago when man used to thought...."
ReplyDeleteCouldn't you at least say a single sentence correctly? Your truth is full of what is your head that is ... it stinks.Did democracy teach you such an English writing or, did it taught you!?
For securing the reputation of comprador bourgeoisie you could have said
Few hundred yearS ago when manKIND used to THINK....
and that was about reactionary Christianity. Now what are you? do you support Christian Democracy or Hindu Democracy? Are you for communalism and killing dalits who have become Christian or what?
Shove your truth into your own brain. This site is for revolutionary thoughts. There are hundreds of police and regime supported fields for you to be along your own alike shocked up idiot.
You are right my English is not good and there is a good reason behind it. I studied in a communist school, where my teachers (communist) thought its better not to learn foreign language. It’s their hate for the British/capitalist that didn't let me learn good English. So I am not ashamed for my bad English.
ReplyDeleteNow about your revolutionary thoughts, there is nothing new about this thought that you are supporting. To me you guys are just selling old wine of (hate) in a new package of (dream).
When I ask Green Red why he moved to a capitalist country instead of a communist country I didn’t got any answer. When I ask maximilien what is wrong with a society where who work hard get a better life…. I didn’t got any answer. And now you Mr Anonymous a Grammar Police who intentionally dogged the questions again.
Desh Ki Dushman in Mao badi o ko to sare am goli maar dena chahiye. In logo ne kitne masum logo ko mara hai.
ReplyDeleteDekho Bhai Sunil, Kisiko sare Aam Goli marna sahi nahi hay, ye kaam sirf Talibani or maoist karte hay, Ham nahi. Lakin ek baat main jaroor kehna chahonga ke ……
ReplyDeleteJab Maoist logo ko khatam karte hay to who samazte hay ki who sahi kar raha hai, our Jab police maobadi ko khatam karte hay tab kahte hai ki humpe julum ho raha hai.
Ye log bilkul Al-queda ke terrorist logo ke jayse hay, al-queda train o mein bomb laga ke masum o ko mar te hai, aur ye log Bus o ko land min se ura ke masum o ko marte hay. Agar tum thik se dekhoge to tum dekh sakoge ki inmein our terrorist mein kuch jada farak nahi hay.
Hama re desh ki CRPF bahut achha kam raha hay . Aur Mujhe Biswas hay ki ekdin CRPF ham logo ko in terrorist o se mukti denge.
Bahut sahi kaha apne, ye log kabhi nahi bolte ki inhone kitne masumo ko mara, kuchi din o pehle maine TV pe dekha ki kaise inhone kuch Jawan o ko marne ke liye ek bus ko land mine o se ura diya, aur 50 masum o ki jan le liya. Tab in logo ne kuch nahi kaha un masum o ke liye. Ye nahi kaha jinhone ye kam kiya hum unhe saza denge. Tab chup kar ke baithe rahe, aur khamoshi se unhe support kiya. Yeh to ekdam dogla policy hay, kya kehte hai use English mein Hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteAur ab salo ne 4 picture ke sath ek ghatiya gana lag eke public ki sympathy chah ta hay. Ye mao badi to ekdam haywan hay insane ke sakal main. Inhe to sirf ek hi chiz milna chahiye, our woh hay maut.
Bahut sahi kaha apne, ye log kabhi nahi bolte ki inhone kitne masumo ko mara, kuchi din o pehle maine TV pe dekha ki kaise inhone kuch Jawan o ko marne ke liye ek bus ko land mine o se ura diya, aur 50 masum o ki jan le liya. Tab in logo ne kuch nahi kaha un masum o ke liye. Ye nahi kaha jinhone ye kam kiya hum unhe saza denge. Tab chup kar ke baithe rahe, aur khamoshi se unhe support kiya. Yeh to ekdam dogla policy hay, kya kehte hai use English mein Hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteAur ab salo ne 4 picture ke sath ek ghatiya gana lag eke public ki sympathy chah ta hay. Ye mao badi to ekdam haywan hay insane ke sakal main. Inhe to sirf ek hi chiz milna chahiye, our woh hay maut.
@ maximilien
ReplyDeleteI think you have misunderstood what Abhay said, nowhere has he said in his comment that the facts you have given in your first comment are wrong.
Please go through the Urban Dictionary link below to understand what his comment feeding the troll means.
Trolling
Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness. However, trolling statements are never true or are ever meant to be construed as such. Nearly all trolled statements are meant to be funny to some people, so it does have some social/entertainment value.
Just as bad as trolling is "Feeding the Trolls". This is when people say stuff that they know will prompt someone to respond with a trolled reply and/or replying to comments that are blatantly from a troll. This is especially true when a troll first makes his comment/reply, and (usually many) people respond, either trying to correct the troll, or express anger at the statement. At that point, the trolling was successful and has been fed. When encouraged by success and feeding, trolls often return.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolling
The Troll here is Shock of Reality who gets a kick out of provoking emotional responses from the readers of this blog.
Dekho Sunil Agar tum koi talibani or koi aur terrorist web site pe jaoge to tum dekhoge ki wanha par bhi terrorist yanhi same chiz kar raha hay, kuch picture or koi sentimental gana lag eke public ka sympathy pa ne ki kausish. Aur yanha par bhi maobadi wanhi kar ne ki kaushis kar raha hay. Ye log kabhi nahi kehte hay ki inlogo ne kitni jan li, unka koi hisab ye nahi dete hay.
ReplyDeleteI heard that they have connection with Al-queda & LET terrorist, are we going to see suicide bomber from Maoist in near future?
ReplyDeleteRe responding to personal question, after presenting personal email address to evade direct rational discussion, Shock calls are disregarded. I certainly do not condone English correction attitude since that in itself is a sort of censorship and phony communist students' eliminating from a democratic field of discussion such as herein.
ReplyDeleteRe relating Tamil Tigers and Al Qaeda. Westerners admit that unlike lots of conservative Christians' claim, suicide bombers were indeed the forte of Tamil Tigers who not using correct tools and, having certainly sick centralized leadership alike Al Qaeda,) still had a struggle with legitimate roots of Buddhist vs Tamil Hindu's discriminated society.
Although for example in direct people's wars against ruling class and imperialism, say for example in Vietnam, people would put their lives on the line but, suicide bombers do belong to religious believers who are promised a heaven afterlife or supposedly better life in next reincarnation. Maoists are people who have risen out of destitute and like people of villages are defending their life and human dignity, with no further life promises. Many will never see their future successful communist society so, for such people value of dedication to humanity as a whole is at a level of quality that makes it incomparable with religious fanatics.
Samad Behrangi - a revolutionary author in a children's story called Little Black Fish writes about death as the following (approximately):
Death, will come someday and I fear it not. The question is not death per se. question is the effect my life or death has on the well bing of others.
Is it productive to die heroically like Che Guevara?
It really depends on what context it occurs. Jose Maria Sison of Communist Party of Philippine in a writing explains Che did things as a sincere revolutionary that the time and destiny had made him face, although not necessarily every struggle he joined were completely decent or attainable. With all his due respect still, good writings have been produced about revisionist armed struggles (focoism) in South Asia's conference and other places. Also Ceylon's Maoist party's summing up LTTE's liquidation is the clearest thing i've read in LTTE's destiny:
http://www.bannedthought.net/SriLanka/CeylonCP-Maoist/CCP-M-LiquidationOfLiberationTigers.pdf
Comparing Maoist fighters with religious fanatics is like, nights and days and, religions have proven to be like nightmare so dear anonymous, expand your horizons and study (Indian) Maoists' history and contributions to oppressed people to see the bright truth.
regards, GR
Well anonymous in recent time in couple of news paper I read that Maoist are making close contact with Pakistani ISI and getting technical support from them. Maybe we do not see any suicide bomber from Maoist, but you know what happen when ISI pull the string.
ReplyDeleteAnd Green Red, I thought we can carry the discussion here and keep the personal staff on the email. But now it’s your choice.
OMG!!! They are tying up with the enemy! I don't believe it. How low they can get!!
ReplyDeleteYep, they have deep connection with ISI, See this report.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.ndtv.com/article/india/dawood-isi-trying-to-involve-maoists-in-terror-44242
And what more you can expect from a group of terrorist those who blow up buses field with innocent people. They only talk high and mighty, but in reality they know that they are wrong. The ideology they are pursuing will only bring more misery to the people. Just like the Russian, Chinese, Korean, and other communist countries.
Yawn....
ReplyDeleteSo what kind of society we can expect from Naxalites, how our governing system will be, and what type of economic system we are going to have if they came in power? How they are going to remove the class division barrier? How the New Justice System will be? Can anyone explain these with some examples?
ReplyDeleteRegarding who causes peasants commit suicide i'll bring you some examples
ReplyDeletePoor Farmers Commit Suicide in India
By BISWAJEET BANERJEE
The Associated Press
Friday, April 11, 2008; 3:56 AM
LUCKNOW, India -- Authorities in northern India have banned the sale of a cheap variety of hair dye after debt-ridden farmers were found to be drinking it to end their lives, an official said Friday.
At least 11 farmers have died from swallowing the hair dye in a drought-hit region of Uttar Pradesh state in the past three months, said Rajiv Agarwal, a senior state official.
Two-thirds of India's 1.1 billion people depend on agriculture, and most have been left out of India's economic boom. In parts of western and southern India, the dire economic state of farmers has been blamed for thousands of suicides in recent years.
The hair dye leads to kidney failure, said Ganesh Kumar, principal of the Maharani Lakshmi Bai Medical College.
"We have banned the sale of the cheap dye made locally in Uttar Pradesh state," Agarwal told The Associated Press.
In Time CNN it goes like:
ReplyDeleteThursday, May. 17, 2007
Rural India's Seeds of Despair
By Simon Robinson / Sunna
It might have been borrowing another $100 just to keep his family going that finally convinced Pravin Bakkamwar to end his life. Or maybe it was knowing that he needed to find a husband for his 18-year-old sister Suwarana, and then pay her dowry and arrange a suitable wedding—responsibilities that would push him further into debt. What his family knows is this: on a sunny morning in central India in late November last year, Pravin, 27, rode his motorbike to a nearby town, bought a few meters of red and yellow nylon cord, returned to his gently sloping cotton farm and hanged himself from a concrete power pole. Neighbors found him within minutes, blood trickling from his mouth.
The story of India today is one of great expectations, as soaring economic growth lifts tens of millions of people out of poverty and swells the ranks of the middle class. But India's progress has also brought sorrow to many farmers and rural workers, who still make up two-thirds of the country's workforce. The income disparity in the new India is massive: there are now 36 billionaires in India—and some 800 million people living on less than $2 a day. In the most desperate pockets of rural India, a confluence of factors, from poor rainfall to the new availability of consumer goods, has driven some farmers into crushing debt. The financial hardships are so extreme that thousands, including Pravin, commit suicide every year. Far from benefiting from the country's new prosperity, whole villages of India's rural poor are being left adrift, eager to join in the boom but unable to afford it.
The crisis is worst in Vidarbha, an orange- and cotton-growing region in central India famed for its black soil and the fact that Mahatma Gandhi built an ashram and lived there for a time in the 1930s. Now Indians know it as their nation's rural suicide capital. According to Vidarbha Jan Andolan Samiti, or Vidarbha People's Protest Forum, an activist group that keeps track of farmer suicides in the area and lobbies the government for help, more than 1,250 farmers committed suicide in Vidarbha's six central districts alone in 2006, up from 248 in 2004.
On India’s Farms, a Plague of Suicide
ReplyDeleteFawzan Husain for The New York Times
By SOMINI SENGUPTA
Published: September 19, 2006
Kausalya Shende standing in the field where her brother’s cotton crop failed three times this year — twice for lack of rain and once from flooding.
BHADUMARI, India — Here in the center of India, on a gray Wednesday morning, a cotton farmer swallowed a bottle of pesticide and fell dead at the threshold of his small mud house.
Villagers in Bhadumari gathered in the house of Anil Kondba Shende and looked at his body as the local police investigated his suicide.
The farmer, Anil Kondba Shende, 31, left behind a wife and two small sons, debts that his family knew about only vaguely and a soggy, ruined 3.5-acre patch of cotton plants that had been his only source of income.
Whether it was debt, shame or some other privation that drove Mr. Shende to kill himself rests with him alone. But his death was by no means an isolated one, and in it lay an alarming reminder of the crisis facing the Indian farmer.
Across the country in desperate pockets like this one, 17,107 farmers committed suicide in 2003, the most recent year for which government figures are available. Anecdotal reports suggest that the high rates are continuing.
Though the crisis has been building for years, it presents an increasingly thorny political challenge for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. High suicide rates and rural despair helped topple the previous government two years ago and put Mr. Singh in power.
Changes brought on by 15 years of economic reforms have opened Indian farmers to global competition and given them access to expensive and promising biotechnology, but not necessarily opened the way to higher prices, bank loans, irrigation or insurance against pests and rain.
Mr. Singh’s government, which has otherwise emerged as a strong ally of America, has become one of the loudest critics in the developing world of Washington’s $18 billion a year in subsidies to its own farmers, which have helped drive down the price of cotton for farmers like Mr. Shende.
At the same time, frustration is building in India with American multinational companies peddling costly, genetically modified seeds. They have made deep inroads in rural India — a vast and alluring market — bringing new opportunities but also new risks as Indian farmers pile up debt.
In this central Indian cotton-growing area, known as Vidarbha, the unofficial death toll from suicides, compiled by a local advocacy group and impossible to verify, was 767 in a 14-month period that ended in late August.
These are parts of such articles. find them on the net and read the whole thing. what you will learn for example about Vidarbha crisis is that the US subsidizing their own "farmers" causes prices of, for example cotton come lower. then what? an average poor peasant's life relies on the moneylender's loan to buy the seeds for each harvest and, one year's bad weather, one more of those "special" modified seeds that need special pesticides and ... not working right, can mean the peasant has lost the land, the one and the only mean of living he has ever known. I wonder why doesn't he shoot the moneylender, the shark loaner instead? But that is a part of Indian personality; to be more humble and less vengeance minded. That is why it took so long for revolutionaries like CPI Maoists come around after so many eons. Articles will prove that beside the moneylender (who takes lots of interests) the imperialism has made so many people miserable in the world, count in for example the rice grower in Philippine as well. Whose fault it is man? whose fault is it but the "Free Market" economy and Capital/imperialist world? Where do you stand on this Shock? get more shocked or, you will be counted as a liar if you admit what reality is.
ReplyDeleteNor MR. (or Mrs.) Shock of Reality, given that when one of these "Anonymous" who was a grammar teacher wanted your saying out of this site and, given that based on a French democratic fighter shall fight for freedom of speech, including those who disagree with me and therefore i stood for you, and considering the above proven factor, here is the gift I will offer you. You sought the truth, well, here you are brother:
ReplyDeleteWhile in your opinion, the activity of Naxalites are a form of terrorism and, even given the fact of your being a supporter of the Green Hunt operation but, due to your stand for true democracy, you are still obliged to sign the petitions against Green Hunt and, any petition against ruling regime's counter democracy courses of action. Understood believer of freedom?
Re personal reason I could tell you that I am simply a political refugee whose sister died also under the Islamic regime and x thousands along her were executed and, in Austria i was told to make a choice between staying at Europe or, going to the US. I could also have told you that it is the belly of the beast and it is my aspiration to disable it, destroy its imperialist nature and try to make it a socialist state or so. I could tell you many things but, i don't lie. At a short opportunity out of the prison for affiliation with a red group, i wasn't rich neither and, my brother was living here in the US so i ended up here. I am honest to you. Be honest to me and to yourself. Man, it is a class war. Whom are you with? The With, or the Without? The one who never gets tired of getting money that wasn't earned but rather it was sucked out of people's lives or, those many whose daily problems are beyond malnutrition and disease?
ReplyDeleteWell Green & Red I have many things to know, I have many things to learn and I have a thirst for knowledge. I am not a person, who knows everything or understand everything or come to a conclusion so easily. What I do is listen to every type of people and want to see things from there prospective of view. I spend my child hood with poor people and I have seen many rich people. So I am well aware that how a rich & poor person thinks, work & live there life.
ReplyDeleteUnlike you I don’t live in a capitalist country and give lecture on communism. I have already spent my 30 years and I know how F*ucked up this communist system can be.
Last but not least if you care so much about the people of India, then why don’t you came here and do something about it? Or you are saying that the capitalist system have gave you so much that you can’t move now?
Ohh!! about the "free market" & the "Suicide" Issue I have already wrote a comment on this page of this blog. plz read it first.
ReplyDeletehttp://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/2011/04/to-hell-with-world-cup-and-ipl.html
I think Mr Green Red misunderstood my question, so I am asking again. If the Naxalites ever got the power to rule India then how their governing system will be, how they are going to remove the class division barrier? How their Justice System will be different than the current Justice system? How they will run the economy? Can anyone tell me these things with some examples?
ReplyDeleteThey are not terrorists they are fighting for the freedom.
ReplyDeletefreedom from whom?
ReplyDeleteI am asking again. If the Naxalites ever got the power to rule India then how their governing system will be, how they are going to remove the class division barrier? How their Justice System will be different than the current Justice system? How they will run the economy? Can anyone tell me these things with some examples?
Those who are interested to know in details about the Naxalites from a neutral viewpoint read the novel 'A Naxal Story' by Diptendra raychaudhuri, published by Vitasta. The book will answer many of your questions.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to know more about the bravery of Naxal please read "RED SUN" WRITEN BY Sudeep Chakravorti, who is non naxalist.
ReplyDeleteHello Anonymous, you don’t have to any book to know how the Naxalite govt system will be. All you have to do is look back into the history, and see what the communists did to solve similar problems.
ReplyDelete1)
Class/Cast division barrier: they will remove the Class/Cast division barrier of India by using Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution method, just imagine how many people going to die by this, and when people will revolt against them, they will use the Tiananmen Square method to suppress the revolt, just imagine how wonderful that will be.
2)
Economy: Naxalite’s/Communist don’t believe in Entrepreneurial economy, so we don’t have any business organized by Entrepreneur. So all the factory & business will be run by Naxalite govt, and everything will be distributed among people by rationing. In North Korea they have this type of economy, just imagine how wonderful that will be.
3)
Justice System: Naxalite’s don’t believe in formal justice system and give their verdict by mob justice system like Jana Adalat. This is similar to Khmer Rouge justice system, However they have one difference with Khmer Rouge justice system that Khmer Rouge encourage their children to kill their parents and Naxalite haven’t did this yet. Just imagine how wonderful that will be.
It’s true that they are freedom fighter, but they don’t fight to protect the freedom, they fight to eliminate the freedom we have.
Mr. Mrs. Proletarian Drohi's suggestion, the Red Sun is absolutely a very good choice. Author clearly states his not being a communist. study his past. a business author who cannot have his eyes closed to reality. (very much like me) he at one page for example, without shyness counts down China's "Great Leap Forward" and consequential Cultural Revolution. But that is China's post revolution. It is a separate discussion per se.
ReplyDeleteWas there errors? yes. But yesterday's errors are lessons themselves. And the so severely oppressed peoples of India subcontinent are not - unlike neither Russia nor China - using world war affairs as means to get popularity in dealing with foreign forces to rationalize their coming around (timely or not they were?). India is a genuine revolution for the liberation of original Indian peoples longer exploited and oppressed than say American Indians or, any other known nation as far as I know. I salute the Naxalites bravery, doing things i personally wouldn't dare or have the guts to do and, their victory can bring positive changes for the whole world. Thanks Drohi, follow up "anonymous" friend and, Mr. know everything Shock, read the book first and then play your game. your bore us all
Shock of Reality said....
ReplyDeleteWhat you said in your post sound absolute truth. It’s like you have the vision to see the truth. Mao Zedong’s Cultural Revolution, North Korean Economy & Khmer Rouge justice system, all of these sounds so horrible. So I think our society is better off Naxalites.
I was reading these comments from last couple of days and I think whatever this Shock guy says is completely rational & logical. Mr. Green Red I was wondering do you have any mental disorder? From your pattern of comments it seems you have some problem and you need some serious medical attention.
ReplyDeleteCan anyone explain what horrible crime these innocent villagers did that they deserve death sentence? See this story http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/maoists-kill-six-abduct-seven-in-bihar/articleshow/9074020.cms . Why you kill 6 people & abducted 7 more innocent villagers? What revolution you are bringing by this.
Khmer Rouge for example occurred when?
ReplyDeleteIn midst of wars between west and the east; Pol Pot allegedly was thinking the Cultural Revolution is gone through halfway in China, let's go all the way...
Those were all errors of another century and even then, lots to do with being pro or anti "Russian Social Imperialism".
After Stalin's death (who himself had all his own errors) Mao started ranting anti "revisionism" talk.
Given his own errors at the great leap forward and ... what made him legitimate?
But those were all another era.
similar critisism to mine can be found in that indicated RED SUN book. further for example, great sister Arundhati Roy in "Walking with the Comrades"
http://sites.google.com/site/indianvanguardorg/Walkingwiththecomrades%282%29.pdf?attredirects=0
correctly criticizes late comrade Charu Mazumdar's being pro China and CPIML of that time indifferent to Pakistan's atrocities since, well, India was counted as pro Soviet and China was pro Pakistan...
This is all filth of another era. bullshit. when you look deep in it, it was China Nationalism vs India Nationalism.
Two large and old civilizations.
Under no condition will I personally will be endorsing neither Pakistan nor, India's policies. Even having great number of Moslems in Kashmir for example, having sick policies, puts people of Kashmir in a deadlock. In a way similar to oppressed Tamil people of Ceylon who were oppressed by colonialist implanted Buddhist regime. Instead of following a correct Marxist revolutionary line Tamil Tigers had crazy religious hierarchical absolutist leadership. and Pakistan's past with Bangladesh already shows their face. These as I have said are all through world capitalist and incorrect socialist states. India's revolution is happening in the heart of India. And due to its far distance from the whole outside world, a totally new generation of communist are building local People's Governments with their all attempts to build self sufficient basic living conditions for Adivasi people who never have had them in the history. What is wrong with that? Urban fellows, what is wrong with people of Dandakaranya forest getting a bit of air to breath on?
And all crisicism pushed toward Maoism of China and Cambodia what about India and Nepal? Are Nepalese comrades sold out or, while having inside nation's condition ripe for revolution, due to international terrorist imperialist conditions they are extremely cautious. And for a tiny little country located in a very peculiar part of the tip of the world fear of not only military attack of enemies but, international economic suffocating them have made them walk so slow. India is a world of its own and, even when obtaining independent but still it remained within a combination of its archaic feudal and british colonial caste/class society. But it is big enough to intend to and be able to build its own people's system. But dear anonymous, go read this thing I suggest and the non communist author's report of the rising red sun, see it in context before saying basically since previous mutations of human society were defeated then damn the evolution and we are better off remaining a dinosaur.
Yep I was right!!! this Green Red Guy need serious medical attention.
ReplyDeleteRamble on Ranbir, when you see honest people who stand for people, not history and want true socialism for people of a land and cannot buy past history of "socialist blocks" and alike A Roy care for people's destiny and survival from dealers who make deals with "memos of understanding" crap, they sure need "medical attention". what do you need? a kick in the butt to become a Hindu Brahman or, become a Stalin with your red army who might call his own comrades spies?
ReplyDeleteI care for people in pain and misery and the modern Maoists who teach them how to plough but, don't make them promises for big TVs and Microvave Ovens while not having running waters and electricity. Are Naxalites evil who teach people how to dig their own wells and local governing instead of paying forest guards and other police, sister doers all they have not to get shot? Dying on your own boots while standing is better than living on your knees.
Ramble on and shine on but, what medication fits you? Indian health insurance?
Ranbir Jee, I have came to 100% know about your worse mentality, while I have read your coments, it is very worse method to indicate someone that you are a mental distrop,a wise and gentle person never say so.OK, if you have read and try to understand about the coment from Green red, that may better for us, and as need for our society. prejudice minded people could not understand this type of logic matter, they thought only for self, not for society. Remember true Communism need of recent India's condition.
ReplyDeleteYes, it’s true the green guy have mental disorder, and he have confess this on this page http://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/2011/05/noam-chomsky-on-osama-bin-ladens-death.html, look at the 10th post I personally have a ... mental disorder that sometime gets better, sometimes worse.
ReplyDeleteHowever I will support Drohi on this issue that it isn’t right to call a mental patient mad man. And you should show more sympathy to this mental patient.
However the Mental condition of green guy doesn’t explain the recent killing at Munger district Bihar. I am looking forward to know what revolution it brought.
Link: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/maoists-kill-six-abduct-seven-in-bihar/articleshow/9074020.cms
Dear Shock of reality and other, Mao said, Revolution is not a dinner party,or writing an essay, or painting or doing embroidery.A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another, using any available tactic.
ReplyDeleteIf your are not satisfy,Please reffer to previous movements, like, Indian freedom movement, Rusian proletarian revolution, french revolution, etc. Recent Nepal's revolution, then say which revolution cna succeed without violence, changes always begs the blood or sacrifice.
changes always begs the blood or sacrifice. But whose blood it begs? Whose sacrifice it begs? When did Mao, Lenin or Gandhi said let’s start a revolution by killing some unarmed innocent villagers? When?
ReplyDeleteHere is another story http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSxm6vVZT7U&feature=related
Tell me how much revolution did Maoist brought by killing this 4 year old? Tell me.
Are these people human? How they can call themselves revolutionist? Only Sick minded people do this kind of job. Thank you Shock of Reality for opening my eyes and exposing their true face. These people do not deserve any mercy.
ReplyDeleteSeems his mental illness is overestimating your hallow empty brains!
ReplyDeleteDear , Nothing to say you all, I just remind you that, Revolution cannot be so refined so leisurely, and gentle, so temperate, kind, restrained and magnanimous, revoltion always itself rude and cruelty.
ReplyDeleterevoltion always itself rude and cruelty. rude and cruelty to whom? To a mother & her 4 year old son? To some unarmed innocent villagers? When you guys did lost your humanity? Where you guys did sold your soul?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous I am glad that you can see now that this inhumane revolution is not for poor innocent humans, this revolution is only for morally corrupt inhumane communist leaders.
Hi to those who keep their words and deserved to be replied.
ReplyDeleteI was truthful to say mental disorder but that is not craze. I was shot, lost one eye and parts of my head. First time the reactionary "shock.." accused me of a person to goes to many sense, i thought since I had brought more than one issue at once, including say declaring China non communist, presenting totally related to Naxal revolution issues and so forth, he meant i was acting unprofessional and unfocused. True. I present various facts hoping that the reader Will Go to those addresses, read those articles and perhaps become enlightened. Thus i have granted such reactionaries an opportunity for their grasping their moments of truth. Then, gently, I brought the case to case example to see if my facing party is sincere that this particular one proved to be unworthy. No. we are not liberally discussing issues. Lines are clear and we also debate and argue. If one may be an always loser, then s/he will use any sidetracking issue like saying Green (the martian you meant?) this and that. So i will slowly present facts to prove your loss bloody Green Hunting supporter. I hadn't seen that statement of your earlier but since i did, henceforward i declare your being an counter revolutionary, to be an enemy of humankind who deserves to be treated as such.
I talked about Lalgareh and Nandigram. Shocked up bourgeois baby frightened of the revolution proclaimed he is less than a hundred kilometers away from the indicated places. He clearly declared he knows better. I put him in a strategic moment of truth. Either regime was right to hit people for the interest of a bloody Suharto capitalist friend who wanted to make a thing as bad as Bophal (for which justice has never arrived really) or, did the CPI M did wrong. And if so naturally people of Nandigram were fighting for their houses lands and justice. He failed to answer a single word. Is he saying that regime did right? if regime did right since it stood for capitalists (and not TRUE COMMUNISM) therefore, why should he dislike that regime? and IF CPI M DID WRONG, therefore Nandigram, who not beforehand but later after starting struggle neared Naxaites were correct and not only Naxalites stood for peasants (actually in this case people became the former)but, doctors, humanists, human right organizations of all colors came to Nandigram and, tried to help the people and People Won. So what side did you stand Capitalist lover? No side? You evaded answering and focuses on my brain. Poor you who loses from a mentally ill weirdo in such simple discussion and debate! Back on the truth, not him since unless he from hereby repents and apologizes to making things personal, although he had presented his personal e mail to supposedly act democratic, i tell him, i don't ask him to, say his religious prayers. My religion is the destiny of people, in particular oppressed and, it is they I worship and stand for. finally, not for him but for people who go and check, go and read this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandigram
ReplyDeletewho wrote this one? communists? liberals? isn't it a democratic institution on line that presents assessment of various trends' reports of history? Shame on you all defenders of castes and capitalism. for Lalgarh also see
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lalgarh
and http://mikeely.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/revolution_in_india_lalgarh.pdf
First one is from an independent one again and this latter one is from a Maoist perspective (that people like me and Arundhati Roy have limited sympathy with and are first humans before having any ideology and in particular Maoism
Read and then brag or, count your last years of capitalism empire
And please remember that when an Ananymous condemned his level of English and I defended this shock guy to speak. That's another proof that although I showed him humanity, but over twice he focused on my showing "weakness"
ReplyDeleteAre you for democracy?
Another reason for you to apologize and yield your life to the revolution before it is too late. There are many other parts I'll get to when i have time but, here is just a beginning of "debate" you run away from and proven undemocratic and one dimensional man (Read Marcuse on the latter when you're a bit more grown) but in the meantime another "anonymous" who all of a sudden has her/his eyes opened to reality by his suggesting a place to check out. How do we know it was really somebody else or, was not another fired or ally or regime agent like you? Do you have a bank account at last? I am doubtful many Adivasis do. There is a class division but let's check out this story of a woman who supposedly repented being a Naxalite, probably received certain amount of cash and opportunities by the regime and, later killed by the revolutionaries.
Now let's turn this story around.
ReplyDeleteMr. Bahal, an imaginary special police reserve, after seeing misdeeds of his bloody dogs of war for capitalist pigs, felt outrage of his own stand. His wife was also a BJP party member and, working as a spy in schools. He proved to his wife how wrong they have been doing. they both resigned and, she only remained as a school assistant and, he went to another work. Only since, their eyes becoming open to the reality was partially their direct observations and partially due to receiving Human Rights organizations' reports that they were receiving in mail and, their younger daughter who was studying in JLNUniversity in New Delhi and occasionally went to progressive meetings, they were suspected of being passing police secrets to the revolutionary people's front - the one with Dalit leaders such as my favorite author, G N Saibaba. They were kidnapped, with a Klashnikov next to their body dropped in a forest corner and claimed to have become Naxalite guerrillas. Why did the regime do this? Fear of information loss. If your favorite eye opening pieces of news were same story in reverse and true, couldn't you imagine to secure the lives of thousands revolutionaries and many underground people it was a necessary course of action. Cannot you see? with one eye I can see that a revolution is not a tea party and, to liberate many, many peoples of India that is almost all the Adivasis and many, many urban people, many jobless, many living in shantytowns near metropolitan cities, some living under large pyramid city and towns (I read only of one in NY Times)and many religious Moslesm living in worse jobs and underclass (not much of them are anything near Pakistani reactionary ones neither) and all the oppressed, sure, if a woman sold her soul to the ruling devil, she sure deserved to be annihilated. Where have you sold your soul? to stocks of Tata or, banks? If you yourself are a moneylender fear many who soon shall rise. Repent to be forgiven or, put your tail on your back and run as much as you can, any capitalist lover in India and, in the world.
Hey Green Guy This video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfWBi4VgI1o
ReplyDelete@Drohi
ReplyDeleteI am still waiting for your answer my friend
@ Green Red
Brother can you plz organizing/list your question and ask me again? I will be glad to answer them all within my ability. After reading your comment I am not sure are you asking me anything or defending me anything or opposing me anything or diverting the discussion. So if you have any question then plz list them up like 1,2,3 etc.
@Randir
Stop Mocking Green Red. This is the most idiotic way to take participate in a discussion.
Dear all, all of you showing the rudness of Naxalist,through the article and youtube etc. Yes I apprceate and realized about your humanity and good feeling. I have already writen in my previous post that about the rudness of war, revolutions. When I see diffrent articles and vdeo posts on Naxal rudness, I srprised that why everyone showing only the rud activiteis of naxal ? I think all of you going to one sided. In this response I wuld like to say, in war or revolution rudness must have done from both side,we cannot say or blame only to the rebels, from the government security also have done same . Because I had seen the inhumanity acts of CRPF, BSF, other related sucurity forces in the time of Gorkhaland Agitation,(DARJEELING), So I am the eye witness for rudness of security forces. Hence,if sometime smeone done this type of inhuman act, we should not blame to all organization.
ReplyDeleteThanks friend and, yes and no!
ReplyDeleteAccording to various human rights international organizations (and national ones) history of Indian police, of all ranks and status, has been filled with a wide range of abuse and misdeeds that do not apply to the CPI Maoists. Various reports of Nandigram include case of state party cadres raping a man's wife in front of her husband and so forth just as an example. Reports about Salwa Judum bastard sell outs whom, to become "Brahmans" of a sort, i.e. to gain some cash as "Special" cops, etc. they go, rape women, kill men and boys (and women and elderly too), confiscate all home saved wealth of bank less Adivasis, taking their chickens and herds, if not able to take away their foods, to simply burn them along with the houses of the year long hard working people. When did Naxalites act as such? I don't give a damn what the media might present to fool the people. History of ruling class media has always been lies, lies and lies. In fact history is the story told by the winner and the one in power.
In fact history of "democratic" elections are all based on buying TV, Media's times and bribing the poor with partying, giving them cash, food, TVs and what have you, all around the world. In the meantime for example, I was first surprised but also pleased to see that in the forest villages and among people's guerrilla armies, militias and all that women commanders are referred to as Sisters. Why the hell? since only bloody Zemindars (Land owners) call women by name in rural areas and, by calling sister, complexity of relationship and marriage is clarified to an extent. That is while the number of Dalit and lower class women of India being raped and the f..ing high class Hindus and cop pigs almost never get persecuted is already known by statistics and throughout the world. Adding that to the bloody dowry Hindu tradition (which is much worse than Iranian one in this case) is already known too and, doctors are accepting bribes to reveal sex of baby in mother's body beforehand to be able to abort girls in ways almost worse than very sick tradition of China (that has caused women number getting lower and the poorer a man is, the less wedding able he becomes and he might be better off raping or "renting" women)
ReplyDeleteParty documents also expose the nature of Adivasi's men/women status before revolutionaries came about. father decides daughter's future husband (pretty much economic deals like Pakistan and Yemen) and if woman runs away, she is ran after and, if not killed, could remain as a miserable imprisoned slave in husband's property. In addition to People's Governments, Women's Organizations have been formed and kicking the butts of backward men. You don't like these changes? )(*)(*()*( you!
ReplyDeleteSomebody criticized Andhra Pradesh history of Naxalites' activities. What was the price of the poor people's say beed cigarettes big stock of leaves sold and how many times more was is sold after peasants, with the leadership of the the party established peasant groupings the price ran up? ten times? twenty times? go and read some damn reality. And what about the sister f///// forest guards? they came, demanded money from people who were harvesting and being fed with plants that their OWN living whereabouts according to the post Brits constitution they were or, they would be treated like shit. Now do those bastards dare to come and demand again? no way damn it. What else? With all due respect to Adivasis and peoples' rights still, when the tribal people happen to cut too many trees that is subversive for the forest (and lives and oxygene of the whole planet) they get arrested and even punished. what sort of punishment? most often, paying a bill so that economic pressure makes such misdeed and hurting nature and trees unworthy.
ANYBODY who doubts any of facts i point out, feel free to ask resources i have used and, UNDER THE CONDITION THAT this interested party WILL GO and read the source I have been informed through and, then s/he is worthy to challenge these facts with other pro and cons resources and, I am ready to see their resources too. That would be a democratic discussion.
@ Shock's, hi shock. Thanks for trying to create more healthy situation and differing a Green Red, i.e. an environmentalist/communist fellow from a Green guy from Mars. As far as defending you, while I am very much sad of your positions but, there was a time that some undemocratic ... almost racist fellow made me angry to write and criticize your level of English grammar and understanding. While you, I, everybody might have limits in our second language but, using that is as stupid as other forms of mocking, hence, while not liking your stand I defended your democratic rights and so did you right here. this is healthy thus, I thank you and, you are welcome too. But to understand my faith for democracy, even tomorrow when there'll be communist state, I will be defending your right to write and say your things even if i hundred percent against them and, I hope the same back from everybody. That is to say that ideally, I expect you to from one side for example have the right to right your pro Green Hunt own flyer or petition but, you ought to also, defend the rights of the University Students to present and publish their own view, even if it seems anti regime, etc. Now if now this regime wanted to punish you for your standing for freedom (tradition of French great revolutionaries) I will stand with you and, please if tomorrow a Communist state was purging me, do the same but remember, less that a couple of thousand Indian super rich have money and powers that could feed every hungry of that large subcontinent. So first need of many, then interest of the bloody few. Fair enough? :)
Dear friends,
ReplyDeletemy maoist brothers leading a war only for adivasis. Till they are not including all sections of society they are unable to win.war only for adivasis. Till they are not including all sections of society they are unable to win.
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ReplyDelete@Drohi
ReplyDeleteWhen I see diffrent articles and vdeo posts on Naxal rudness, I srprised that why everyone showing only the rud activiteis of naxal ? I think all of you going to one sided.
Well I have same thing to say about BSF & CRPF. Why everyone showing their rude side only? There are thousands of cases where they put their life on the line to help/protect/save public. If you like I can give you thousands of news articles about this. My next point is if any BSF, CRPF, Police, and Army do any bad things to you then you can go to Human Right Commission and ask for justice, and there are hundreds of cases where the BSF, CRPF, Police, and Army officers found guilty and serving their time at Jail. But if a naxalite/maoist kill 4 year old kid & murder someone’s wife, or kill few unarmed villagers, then where would those people go for justice? Can you please answer that?
Very nice and thought provoking stuff!!
ReplyDeleteMaking Life Better
http://www.mygrahak.com/blog/
On the part a person spoke re "Adivasis Only" matter, nothing is further than the truth in that regard but, as a simple thinker I would say even if it was so, considering their number it would been better from now, imaginary. Is it TRUE or FALSE that some SEVENTY PERCENT of the peoples of Hindustan are not residing in the urban area? In a basic reasoning even if they would have been fifty point zero, zero three, still would they not be the majority of the nation? Would they deserve anything at all? should they eternally be counted as a sub specie or under class?
ReplyDeleteAnd that aside, aren't the workers losing their jobs day by day and meeting globalization demands and standards getting readier to stand for a revolution? You want to know the true stand of the Party? Go are study carefully and read Urban Perspective - an imperative strategy that even theorizing it took so many decades and for those who fear the poor getting a bit of the world's worth, keep on being frightened.
How many "rich" people have how much billions - crores - whatever damn number in their accounts? how many others could have been fed and housed with those wealth? Only say in Cell phone contract and deal making how many billions of dollars were stolen within this very "just", "biggest democracy" administration within the so called free India?
Where do you eat your food?
where do you take your shower?
where do you shit?
and where do the poor people do the same things?
Do i have an overnight solution? No way. Revolutionary lives of the people are built within their everyday struggles to make basic lives meet, digging for water and wells, making cooperative agriculture and, feeling brave enough to get a bit more for their products, be it those leaves for special cigarettes making or what have you. Are they less than a man?
Shame on anybody who stands for the few rich, greedy who in local look and suits of any culture make the road for imperialist demands met and, their still feudal ideologies ruling
Rich/Poor. Two words define two types of people. Rich: I was wondering having lot of money is an assurance to be rich forever? Poor: I was wondering having less money is mean someone remain poor forever? But in real world it isn’t like that. In real world if a poor decide to work hard he can have a better life. Example Dhirubhai Ambani. And if a rich person makes wrong decision in his business or job he will get back poor life, example share market traders. In short our economic condition is variable. If anyone work hard he will have better life, if he don’t he will have shitty life. And yes democracy offers that opportunity to work hard and get a better life.
ReplyDeleteWhere the communism theoretically says everyone will have same economical condition. Gr8 thing. Why don’t we imagine how our society will be if we implement this theory in our real life. What if a very hard working person gets the same salary as a lazy person? Then the hard working person will wonder why he is working hard when he can sit back and relax and get the same salary as the lazy person. It isn’t like he will get something extra if he works hard. Because everyone’s earning is same. No rich and no poor in a society. So I hope you can imagine what happened to a society when hard working people become lazy. Example North Korea, where no one is rich or middle class, everyone is poor. In 1990’s North Korea famine 5 million people died by hunger.
About 2g spectrum scam, yes I am glad that I live in a democracy so I can raise protest against those corrupt people. And I am glad that we have democracy and that’s why our news agencies able to independently investigate and bring those scam news in front of us, because in communist world free news agencies doesn’t exist. And I am glad that we have democracy and that’s why several corrupt ministers like Raja are in prison, because in communist world No minister ever went to prison. I am glad that we have democracy we able to protest against govt, because in communist world protesting means death sentence.
Raja is in prison! so what? For now, forget about communism. Let's say Democratic rights for Adivasis, Affirmative Action for Dalits. You wanna fight for that? Banning existence of Dalit vs Brahman is that possible?
ReplyDeleteCommunism is not a thing. It is not an absolute same pay thing. It is a trend toward that direction. You can never make an apple equal to an orange, nor a woman to a man, nor a short man to a tall man, but you ought to try to acquire egalitarian values and protocols for them. and besides, when rich get arrested or rich or political figure thieves get busted still, the way they are treated and their legal whereabouts is not the same as if a poor gets busted for a minor action. Why?
And besides; you still have not answered my earlier questions. You said I make items in an indexed fashion. Okay brother, here is no. one:
DID CPI M DO RIGHT IN NANDIGRAM OR DID IT DO WRONG? First answer this, then we will slowly continue. Please keep it clean and on a single track. Either they did right or, they didn't. Then we'll look after Slawa Judums or whatever those sister doers have done okay? Did the officially democratic selected state of those times, the regime do right killing protesters, raping woman in front of husband to make a new possible Bophal or not. Answer please simply and outright.
okay?
CPIM, the full form is Communist Party of India (Marxist), in other word a group of communist. Yes they did wrong in Nandigram. They thought it will be like another Tiananmen Square where they can choke and kill the voice of public. After ruling west Bengal for 35 years they thought this country is just like china, they thought whatever they do, no one will protest. But they were wrong. This country is ruled by democracy. And whenever any govt go against the will of people, people will remove them from power by the power of vote. As long the people have to power to choose from different electoral candidate the flame of democracy will stay live. In another post I told you that in democracy big revolution never happened but revolution happened every day. People protest every day on street and we move forward everyday bit by bit, inch by inch. Some time it takes time to change things but we change things eventually.
ReplyDeleteCommunism is not a thing. It is not an absolute same pay thing. It is a trend toward that direction. You can never make an apple equal to an orange, nor a woman to a man, nor a short man to a tall man, but you ought to try to acquire egalitarian values and protocols for them.
I didn’t get it. If everyone’s pay is not same then eventually some people will be rich and some people will be poor. Honestly I think unless you are bill gates you will remain rich then someone and poor then someone. Isn’t this a fact?
Finally, I am glad to see that you able to organize and ask, go ahead ask if you want to know more. I am always available.
to understand the basis of the sort of communism I have come to stand for, see http://en.cwiran.com/index.php/about-2 and clearly see that from head to toe my current developed perception does not have much in common with Mao Tse-tung Thought (that they call Maoism.)
ReplyDeleteThe group i belong to does promote usage of weapons. What we believe in is, People's Councils.
That said though, dear democratic enemy, i have never been in India and never seen Hindustan but, according to stated facts and figures available in libraries and ... , India is NOT a simple capitalist country. It is a mixture of an expansionist and, pretty much imperialist country that, within itself, has not neither resolved the feudalism thoroughly nor, wants to move its body as a whole into the rest of the world yet.
It has TWO system entwined that is Class System and Caste System. Right?
TO SUM IT UP, I apologize for my bluntness but, it is like a Whale that has leeches have been stuck upon its body for too long and, the poor whale itself, (the original people of the land + Dalits, other religions, etc.) is only beginning to wake up since, lots of its skin has been ripped off so, now those leeches and other whatever viruses, bacterias or capital imperialists are getting to the bone of this beautiful whale whose image is the most sacred one in this whole planet and, its diversity never stops mesmerizing and there is even this guy with a site that says supposedly everybody wants to runaway from India due to its Dalits and so forth.
Do you want to put your knife in the heart of India? To displace people? do you like them to get out of their village for a dam or a dyke or, highway or another Bhopal? I want mother India shine with a Red Star on top of it rather than its heart original peoples hurt. Power to interfere? I have almost zero now but, feeling; nothing more than feelings.
Sorry. i had work to finish. getting back to for example CPI M that you equate somewhere with China...
ReplyDeleteCommunism is only a Theory. Have you seen a Sarini who looks exactly like a Pravin? or a Susan who looks like Suzann?
Aren't they both men or, women of a sort? but are they identical? Is Hindustan's democracy (the largest!!) better or, worse than Swiss democracy or, the United States of Amerikas? (in fact it is the democracy you love or the capitalist system?)
Communist states in history are so diverse and sometimes antagonistic that, equating West Bengal CPI M with China is as naive as comparing France's democracy with Pakistan's... aren't they both democratic systems in your theory? is one better than Indian democracy and the other worse?
Now re communism, on one hand there are Communist and Socialist Parties in history who ran power in places like Russia and China and, like Spain and France. Then there was one as great as Cuba (as much as having it suffocated with imperialist power on its top) and one as disastrous as Kampuchea. So is communism or democracy simply a - or + things?
And some are called "Stalinist" and, some are considered "Maoist" supposedly and some "Hoxaist" (Albanian model) and the world is full of from Red book to ... Green Book (of Libya!!!)
But good or bad, wasn't that damned CPI M party "democratically" elected? you said you hate them equally somewhat. So why don't you ask your favorite Green Hunters go and shoot those sister f----? Why only killing Naxalites? what's the difference?
Aha,
We have more that one PDCPs on our head:
the so called Parliamentarian Democratic Communist (or socialist for that matter) Parties and, the so called People's Democratic Communist Parties (and each have had goods and bads as well)
In fact though, usually to make it more honest and classically compatible with its history, Communist or People's or, Socialist Parties that are legal or, partially legal are referred to as "Social Democrats" and, the other ones that are against the regime and through workers strikes or, guns and what have you kick out the greedy leeches are referred to as "Revolutionaries". you see the difference?
Now re Nandigram (and Lalgrah) I presume you have agreed that the LEGALLY ELECTED STATE has done lots of bad things, right?
My young Brother, you have taken one step forward
Have we agreed on this?
So I guess our next step would be the other places where the state has displaced and terrorized people...
What has happened in say, Orissa or, the southern Pradesh state for that matter and, the way during negotiations after democratic gaming they pushed the knife on the back of the Naxalites and, in fact let's see what strongly decent Hindu Salwa Judum paramilitaries have acted.
... by the way brother, you're Hindu or, Muslem or, the faith of prime minister.... Sikh or... Christian?
If you were the last one, I would like to lead you to a sign of a Cross and Sickle that is a faith I have respect to. :)
India is ruled by puppets of imperialists. USA, Canada, European Union, Japan, Australia and Israel are exploiters of third world countries. Works of Indian workers and peasants are source of profits for west corporation. West societies is living in a very high level thanks this exploitation of third world. We European are stealing most of that what Indian people has created. We are parasites and we are killing Indian people. If you want better future you must fight against imperialism. You must destroy west puppets in government and create own national. Only Maoist can create better future without exploitation. You must fight against imperialist because you will lose everything. Imperialist is you enemy. You will never be as rich like west, who has built power thanks exploitation of four country.
ReplyDeleteAren't they both men or, women of a sort? but are they identical? Is Hindustan's democracy (the largest!!) better or, worse than Swiss democracy or, the United States of Amerikas? (in fact it is the democracy you love or the capitalist system?)
ReplyDeleteCommunist states in history are so diverse and sometimes antagonistic that, equating West Bengal CPI M with China is as naive as comparing France's democracy with Pakistan's... aren't they both democratic systems in your theory? is one better than Indian democracy and the other worse?
Yes you are right!! Democracy has different version but all of them are democracy. So does communism and communism also has different version of it. As example democracy is like mango, even though there are different versions of mango, and some of them are more or less sweet then each other but in average all of them are sweet. Where Communism is like “Bitter Gourd” it doesn’t matter which version you take it will eventually going to taste bitter.
But good or bad, wasn't that damned CPI M party "democratically" elected?
That is the beauty of democracy. In democracy every types of ideology is welcome, unless they go insane and choose the path of killing. Here religious parties are also welcome as secular party. Here we have communist people and capitalist people. And it’s the choice of people what they want to have. Here the decision of people gets the priority. As example even though in India 80% people are Hindu, instead choosing a Hindu religious party like BJP we choose a secular party like Congress. Isn’t this wonder you?
Finally about the issue of CPIM one thing I want to say that they were democratically elected 1970 and democratically rejected 2011. And both of the time it was public’s decision. It was public’s choice. And democracy gave us the choice. But communism they don’t have the word choice. And that’s why china ruled by communists.
@ Anonymous
ReplyDeleteWe European are stealing most of that what Indian people has created. We are parasites and we are killing Indian people.
Can you plz make a list of the product that they are stealing now? I am really interested to know. I know that British ruled India for 200 years and that time they took lot of staff without paying its price. But I wonder after independence what the staffs they are staling are? Oh yeah!! About the Europe I guess you can also explain me why one after another European country is getting financially bankrupt?
I am really looking forward to your answer :)
Democracy is only political system. There was ancient democracy in slavery systems. There was nobleman democracy in feudalism. There is bourgeois democracy and people's democracy. These system are different, because each of them represents interests of some society class often minority of all people.
ReplyDeletePresent democracy in India is associated with capitalism and interests of imperialists. You can vote for many parties but each of them exists under this same economical system. In my country all parliaments group are in real identical.
Only revolution can change system and built new democracy.
China is ruled by capitalists who take over party after death of Mao Tse-tung.
What is different between China and India? Both countries are ruled by imperialist puppets. They allow exploitation of workers by west corporation, destroying environment and steal resources. This is your democracy, democracy for rich who give fake change for poor majority.
@Shock of Reality
ReplyDeleteIndian proletariat work for west corporation. They are exploited and earn not big money. According to Marxist economical science they create surplus value what is profits for imperialist and is transferring to First World as capital. This system is smarter than British colonialism. We European rob you Indian and you think that you are free, because there isn't any colonial army.
Financial bankrupt in Europe? Even in that situation we live in better condition of life than you. We don't suffer from hunger, poverty, we have high standard of life, consumption. Be on the 20% top of the richest people in global scale is crisis?
Compare your country with European Union.
This isn't crisis like in third world, when people die from hunger.
ReplyDeleteEuropean crisis is temporary resignation from very high level of consuming to high standard in global scale.
My friend from France in crisis don't have money for exclusive vacation but he has founds for food and other goods. This is crisis? Majority of Indian people want to be on his place.
Democracy is only political system. There was ancient democracy in slavery systems. There was nobleman democracy in feudalism. There is bourgeois democracy and people's democracy. These system are different, because each of them represents interests of some society class often minority of all people.
ReplyDeleteWell I have a different opinion about this; I don’t think democracy is only political system. The way I see democracy is more like a choice of majority. Where whatever the majority of people choose get accepted. Where the minority have freedom to share their ideology with other people and have the right to convince them. Where people can share each other’s problem and came together to solve it, currently in India we have a democracy similar to this. So I was wondering what’s wrong with it?
Present democracy in India is associated with capitalism and interests of imperialists. You can vote for many parties but each of them exists under this same economical system. In my country all parliaments group are in real identical.
Only revolution can change system and built new democracy.
If all the current parties are associated with capitalism and imperialists then why doesn’t Naxalite/maoist make an independent party and challenge other parties in election? If they able to convince people that they can do real good then I guess people will support them to win the election and after winning the election they can change the system. But why the Naxalite/maoist doesn’t stand in election? Aren’t they afraid that people don’t care about their phony ideology and people won’t support them?
It’s true that revolution is required to change the society, system and ideology. And democracy gives the power to people to revolt every day, to protest every day, to make the change every day. I think democracy isn’t just a political system it’s also an ideology itself.
What is different between China and India?
Difference between China and India, I think there are lots of difference …… In India I have the choice to follow any type of ideology (unless they are associated with killing), in china they don’t have that choice. In India I can dig up our history, doesn’t matter how horrible it was. In china doing that is completely impossible (Tiananmen Square). In India I can protest against my govt, doing that in china means death sentence.
They allow exploitation of workers by west corporation, destroying environment and steal resources. This is your democracy, democracy for rich who give fake change for poor majority.
Exploitation of workers??? Where? In India? If you have any contact with such western corporation then plz find a job for me. I am ready to be exploited. Because they pay hefty amount of salary. And I am no joking. I am ready to be exploited.
About Exploitation of workers, I wonder do you know why people’s earning/salary/wage/income is different? Why a person work 8 hr under sun and get Rs 80 a day, where another person stays in Ac and sign 5 paper and get thousands of rupees per day? Why in a factory a worker get so less and an entrepreneur/manager get to much? Do you know why? If you know then plz let me know why there is so much difference in their earning/salary/wage/income? Why there are few rich and thousand of poor in every society?
European crisis is temporary resignation from very high level of consuming to high standard in global scale.
My friend from France in crisis don't have money for exclusive vacation but he has founds for food and other goods. This is crisis? Majority of Indian people want to be on his place.
About European countries bankruptcy …. Wait couple of year and you will see how it affects the social and economic condition of common people.
Democracy in India is choice of minority rich people. I saw videos from India in you tube, when peaceful agitators are shot by government forces. Paramilitary action against unarmed peasants. Choice of majority is fiction. I come from Europe and I have access to many information and I know good how looks reality in third world countries.
ReplyDeletePresent Indian system is associated with imperialists and represents their interests. Maoist cannot change anything in this system, because they will be eliminated by imperialists, like these poor people on videos. Old system must be destroyed and it can built new better without imperialists and his puppets.
Chinese governments use violence against citizens and Indian too. Watch videos. China and India are controlled by imperialists and exploited for profits of European, American and Japanese people.
Your democracy is only illusion. You cannot defeat imperialists in this system, because they have your politicians in own pocket and use power of your state to control you.
Tiananmen Square? Hahahaha! At the present in India unarmed people die, shot by paramilitary government forces.
You are bourgeois. You have access to internet. You don't know what is slums, poor rural areas and exploiting.
I know why, workers earn small amount of money, because they create surplus value and if they earn less than more surplus value is creating thanks their work. These sources go to managers in India. These sources are transferring to Europe, America and Japan and there people live in very high level of life without exploitation.
Indian workers are slaves for imperialists. This is neocolonialism. They don't have send troops, they control Indian elites and rob your country.
Wait couple of years and India will be still exploited by imperialists, who use your sources for repair west economy after crisis. We are rich, life of majority Indian people is like in our medieval era.
You know why in India are Maoist groups and in Europa zero revolutionary forces.
You must go own path of developing. Imperialism is only parasitism and you never be like west society, because American and European built their power thank exploitation countries like India.
Compare our wealthy societies with your nation.
Thanks anonymous friend to talk so bright and to the point. In the meantime, here is a tip of the iceberg of that damned democracy that shakes my soul, heart and ...
ReplyDeleteIndia explores ways to curb prodigious food waste at extravagant wedding parties
By Associated Press, July 21, 2:16 AM
NEW DELHI — When the daughter of businessman Mohammed Sultan got married recently, guests were treated to a lavish 30-course meal served in super-sized silver platters.
The Kashmiri feast, prepared by an army of chefs, included more than 20 meat and kebab dishes rich with spices to go with the saffron-flavored rice and naan breads.Hours later, after the more than 500 guests had eaten their fill, the leftovers were dumped by the cartload at a nearby garbage site.
As the ranks of India’s wealthy surge with rapid economic growth, many families are staging extravagant displays of food at their children’s weddings to show off their new found affluence.
The prodigious waste that follows has horrified many in a nation where food prices are skyrocketing and tens of millions of young children are malnourished.
I assure you that those who are supporting the actions of the Indian government-thugs here are doing so being fully aware of the reality of the fake democracy that India is. The revolution has caused material loss to many local tyrants so far, and being rendered powerless by the Maoists, it is on the net that they will try to ventilate their frustration. So there is no need to reason with these pathetic excuses for human beings.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteDemocracy in India is choice of minority rich people.
Where? In India? Why don’t you show me some example… I guess you have some example
Maoist cannot change anything in this system,
Yes, you are right Maoist don’t know how to bring change in society, because they only know how to kill/kidnap unarmed villagers and how to kill toddler & his mother. Here is two story of inhumanity of Maoist/naxalites , if you want I can give you thousand of other story like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSxm6vVZT7U&feature=related
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/maoists-kill-six-abduct-seven-in-bihar/articleshow/9074020.cms
Maoist cannot change anything in this system, because they will be eliminated by imperialists, like these poor people on videos. Old system must be destroyed and it can built new better without imperialists and his puppets.
Why don’t you show me some example where they at least try to participate in election and eliminated by imperialists? Just show me some example.
Old system must be destroyed and it can built new better without imperialists and his puppets.
Well show me such country where true communism is present. The idea of communism is so phony that it doesn’t exist in real life. And you know why that is?
Ttiananmen Square? Hahahaha! At the present in India unarmed people die, shot by paramilitary government forces.
What kind of human you are who can laugh about Tiananmen Square? Do you have any humanity left inside?
Yes in India whenever the paramilitary government do something wrong they removed from the power by the people at time of election. The recent election in west bengal is the proof of it. Did the Chinese people able to do that?
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteYou are bourgeois. You have access to internet. You don't know what is slums, poor rural areas and exploiting.
WTF? I don’t know what slums are? I don’t know what poor people’s life in rural areas? Why don’t you read my previous comments and make a guess where I live.
I know why, workers earn small amount of money, because they create surplus value and if they earn less than more surplus value is creating thanks their work. These sources go to managers in India. These sources are transferring to Europe, America and Japan and there people live in very high level of life without exploitation.
What profession you are associated with at this moment? Let me know I will explain this to you that why your boss earns more then you and your junior colleague earn less then you? Do you exploit your junior colleague? Let me know what work you do to earn your bread.
Well show me such country where true communism is present.
ReplyDeleteCommunism is classless and stateless society. This system will be created after victory of socialism in the all world.
Communism is classless and stateless society. This system will be created after victory of socialism in the all world.
ReplyDeleteSound like mission Al-Qaeda. Where they think peace in society only possible when all world follow sharia law. May be that is the prime reason why communism failed everywhere just like Al-Qaeda. And in the end it only brought death, misery & torture to common innocent people. Why the communist & extremist Islamic terrorist failed to implement their ideology at one place and set an example for rest of the world?
And by the way where is the answer of my rest of question? Do you want to repeat me the same questions again?
Communism hasn't failed yet, because it has never be created.
ReplyDeleteCommunism hasn't failed yet, because it has never be created.
ReplyDeleteAnd it will never be created, because it is fundamentally incorrect ideology, and that’s why it will never come.
We humans are not equal like machines. We are different from each other, some of us are taller and some of us shorter, some of us are fat and some of us are skinny, some of us are beautiful and some of us are ugly, some of us are brilliant and some of us are not, some of us are hard working and some of us are lazy. Our earning is different because of our different individualism. So in our society different people have different earning structure, and as long as we have that there will be rich and poor. So my friend as long as we have rich and poor in our society true communism is not possible.
If you compare Communism with Al-Qaeda’s ideology, you will see that in theory Al-Qaeda’s ideology might be possible, {though I think that will be evil}. But true communism is not possible even in theory. As long as we have individualism, the communism is not possible.
And by the way where is the answer of my rest of question?
Communism will be created after victory of socialism in all countries.
ReplyDeleteYou are wrong. Earning is connect with money. Money is equivalent of created goods. Goods are created by workers and peasants. Money is created by workers and peasants. Stronger exploitation of proletariat, more money.
Communism is possible, because all goods are created by proletariat. Proletariat is exploited by no productive classes. Human are social species. Collectivism is better than individualism.
Communism is possible, because all goods are created by proletariat. Proletariat is exploited by no productive classes.
ReplyDeleteYes that’s true. But you need entrepreneur, organizer or manager for establishing, managing and organizing every industry. Without worker any industry is not possible. But without entrepreneur, organizer or manager industry is not possible also. Is there any industry is in earth that can operate without entrepreneur, organizer or manager? So without industry how do we live in industrial society? Or is your suggestion is to live our life in Stone Age?
Human are social species. Collectivism is better than individualism.
I wonder how do you pour Collectivism and remove individualism from people? As long as I know everybody in this world wants to find his own identity among thousands of other people. Everybody wants to have better lifestyle then his neighbor. How do you remove that desire from their heart? How?
I have noticed that you have silently skipped my previous questions, but can you answer these questions?
In Soviet Union and in China were people who organise production and distribution without exploitation.
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ReplyDeleteAre you kidding with me? You came out of two most terrible countries name who are famous for exploitation of worker.
ReplyDeleteplz watch this video beginning to end to know the misery of Chinese people/worker.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2300254722104314948
You know true communism is not possible, because it is fundamentally incorrect ideology.
But 1989 is in era of revisionist reign who took the power after Mao died and they has rebuilt capitalism.
ReplyDeleteSo, why there were no one to stop that? Why there was no opposition to protest this massacre? Where was the collectivism of the people? Why Chinese surrender their collectivism and choose individualism? Why they accepted exploitation? Why the people failed to remove these killers from the power?
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens when you surrender your democracy. This is what happens when you take the right of vote from the people. This is what happens when there are no election systems in politics. This is what happens when you take the right to revolt every day. This is what happens when you surrender your democracy. And I certainly don’t want this for India. We are moving slow with our bulky democracy. But here people still have the power to remove inhuman govt from the power by using their vote.
You have this democracy and still is shit. You vote for fingers that belong to one hand what change into fist and use it for exploiting Indian workers and peasants.
ReplyDeleteAnswer my questions first. and then talk shit
ReplyDeleteSo, why there were no one to stop that? Why there was no opposition to protest this massacre? Where was the collectivism of the people? Why Chinese surrender their collectivism and choose individualism? Why they accepted exploitation? Why the people failed to remove these killers from the power?
ReplyDeleteAnswer my questions first. and then talk shit
Why you must vote for parties? You want choose political leadership. Maoist leadership was eliminated after Mao Tse-tung death. Without revolutionary party people cannot organise themselves for fighting with enemies. Reactionaries use power of state to control citizens and fight against opposition.
ReplyDeleteIndian state is very weak and Maoist will take the power. After that they would change situation in China.
Why you must vote for parties? You want choose political leadership
ReplyDeleteThen whom we should vote for?
Maoist leadership was eliminated after Mao Tse-tung death.
Never here about this excuse, do you have any news article to support this claim?
Without revolutionary party people cannot organise themselves for fighting with enemies. Reactionaries use power of state to control citizens and fight against opposition.
Where was the collectivism of the people? You said they were self organized without any organizer. Where was their organizing skill?
Indian state is very weak and Maoist will take the power. After that they would change situation in China.
Many terrorist daydreams this and you are just a new edition. So Keep daydreaming and keep your eye close to reality.
Ohai everyone! Indian democracy is great! We punish awwwwll the policemen that rape and torture our poor women. So I advice all Indians not to fight back when they see their folks getting raped and murdered; just file a case in some court after the police leaves.
ReplyDeleteHere, the Indian government forces at their full glory. Kudos to those who bitch about those evil Maoists killing such great men!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7VzG3ydPb4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HToT6Y_VeIA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHrtFfcAQWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRqg6Z2qW_M&feature=related
"Indian state is very weak and Maoist will take the power."
ReplyDeleteSome good news for you. Twenty more districts to be declared Naxal hit.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/20-more-districts-to-be-declared-naxal-hit/Article1-717292.aspx
At this pace the present reactionary order will not last long.
Maybe you don't read the follow up story! In all these cases the victim got justice, and that is the beauty of democracy.
ReplyDeleteBy the way good tactic to doge my questions.
Why you must vote for parties? You want choose political leadership
Then whom we should vote for?
Maoist leadership was eliminated after Mao Tse-tung death.
Never here about this excuse, do you have any news article to support this claim?
Without revolutionary party people cannot organise themselves for fighting with enemies. Reactionaries use power of state to control citizens and fight against opposition.
Where was the collectivism of the people? You said they were self organized without any organizer. Where was their organizing skill?
Indian state is very weak and Maoist will take the power. After that they would change situation in China.
Many terrorist daydreams this and you are just a new edition. So Keep daydreaming and keep your eye close to reality.
"Maybe you don't read the follow up story! In all these cases the victim got justice, and that is the beauty of democracy.
ReplyDeleteThat is what I was saying boss! The beauty of Indian democracy is that the rapists and murderers hired by the rulers always get suspended! Just like in the Sikh and Gujarat riots ... oh wait!
"By the way good tactic to doge my questions. "
Oh no no boss that wasn't me. There are more than one posters who want to remain anonymous. That was some other guy, probably from outside of India, who dared to engage in theoretical polemics with you. I think the following lines are by you?
"About the medical service? yeah it's not that bad either. almost 90%-98% people get proper medical service from govt and private hospital. "
http://naxalrevolution.blogspot.com/2011/05/support-jnu-forum-against-war-on-people.html
Someone who writes this must have attained the state of nirvana and is probably living in a different India above the clouds. I dare not debate with such enlightened men ....
Carry on your question dodging Jutsu. But I will Keep asking .........
ReplyDeleteWhy you must vote for parties? You want choose political leadership
Then whom we should vote for?
Maoist leadership was eliminated after Mao Tse-tung death.
Never here about this excuse, do you have any news article to support this claim?
Without revolutionary party people cannot organise themselves for fighting with enemies. Reactionaries use power of state to control citizens and fight against opposition.
Where was the collectivism of the people? You said they were self organized without any organizer. Where was their organizing skill?
Indian state is very weak and Maoist will take the power. After that they would change situation in China.
Many terrorist daydreams this and you are just a new edition. So Keep daydreaming and keep your eye close to reality.
"Carry on your question dodging Jutsu. But I will Keep asking ........."
ReplyDeleteWhy are you getting so cross, boss? I tell you I'm not the one debating you. I completely agree with you. It is that other anonymous guy that's arguing with you. I am simply mesmerized to be able to interact with a genius like you. In fact, I was looking for a brilliant guy like you to answer a few questions of mine. So tell me boss, why weren't the navy mutineers who stood up against the British rulers not compensated or re-employed by our glorious Indian government?
Don't vote. Better fight like maoists.
ReplyDeleteEh I meant why weren't the navy mutineers who stood up against the British rulers compensated or re-employed by our glorious Indian government? Sorreh !
ReplyDeleteWhy are you getting so cross, boss? I tell you I'm not the one debating you. I completely agree with you. It is that other anonymous guy that's arguing with you.
ReplyDeleteWell let me tell you one thing first about debate. In my personal opinion the ideology of debate is bad. In any debate there is always a winner and always a looser. But I always wonder why anyone has to win or anyone has to lose? Why can’t we all hang out all together? So I was wondering why can’t we carry on a discussion? You keep your ideology and let me have my ideology and let’s discuss what our past was, what our present is and what will be our future. So I always do discussion instead of debate.
About the issue of anonymous, this is what happens when we lose our individualism. You are a human being and you have right to have your own individual identity. So if you want to carry a healthy discussion then have your own identity first.
"Well let me tell you one thing first about debate. In my personal opinion the ideology of debate is bad. In any debate there is always a winner and always a looser. But I always wonder why anyone has to win or anyone has to lose? Why can’t we all hang out all together? So I was wondering why can’t we carry on a discussion? You keep your ideology and let me have my ideology and let’s discuss what our past was, what our present is and what will be our future. So I always do discussion instead of debate."
ReplyDeleteBut boss, I have neither the knowledge or brilliance to discuss with or debate you. So I have only asked you a question. Please answer that. I have many more questions in store for you.
"About the issue of anonymous, this is what happens when we lose our individualism. You are a human being and you have right to have your own individual identity. So if you want to carry a healthy discussion then have your own identity first."
You excel in philosophy too boss. But what can I do, if I don't remain anonymous then these evil Maoists will probably send assassins to hunt me down; after all, it is now established that I fully support your patriotic stand of letting those kind foreign multinationals help us by carrying away our mineral resources.
latest multi spectral camouflage suit.
ReplyDeleteEffective camouflaging against:
Optical sensors
NVD
& Thermal sensors.
But boss, I have neither the knowledge or brilliance to discuss with or debate you. So I have only asked you a question. Please answer that. I have many more questions in store for you.
ReplyDeleteI don’t know what you have or what you don’t. I don’t know why you are hallucinating over foreign multinationals & mining industry and suddenly get supported over me, when I didn’t even use a single word over this issue. I don’t know why few people want to bring back a failed system that has long history of inhumane activity. I don’t know why few people call themselves revolutionist after killing unarmed innocent poor villagers. I have to disappoint you boss, I don’t know lots of thing.
You excel in philosophy too boss. But what can I do, if I don't remain anonymous then these evil Maoists will probably send assassins to hunt me down;
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt about that, those Maoist who can kill this helpless mother and her 4 year old child can probably send assassins. However I am not asking to publish your name & address with blood group & dna profile. What I am asking is have an identity/username. Is it too much for you?
"I have no doubt about that, those Maoist who can kill this helpless mother and her 4 year old child can probably send assassins. However I am not asking to publish your name & address with blood group & dna profile. What I am asking is have an identity/username. Is it too much for you?"
ReplyDeleteYeah boss I don't wanna attract any extra attention from those Maoists. Jeebus knows what those godless commies will be up to?
By the way have you got any detailed report on what you linked to? Because despite its misguiding headline, it only states that the police suspects Maoists for the murders, not that they have been able to prove anything. Have you yourself conducted an investigation and reached your conclusion, boss?
"I don’t know what you have or what you don’t. I don’t know why you are hallucinating over foreign multinationals & mining industry and suddenly get supported over me, when I didn’t even use a single word over this issue. I don’t know why few people want to bring back a failed system that has long history of inhumane activity. I don’t know why few people call themselves revolutionist after killing unarmed innocent poor villagers. I have to disappoint you boss, I don’t know lots of thing."
ReplyDeleteOf course boss of course. I agree with you in that capitalism has been the most humane system so far by eradicating millions of human beings in wars and famines, thereby keeping the human race strong. As far as foreign multinationals and Maoists are concerned, I think that opposing one implies supporting the other and vice-versa. Your genius that so easily deduces the innocence of Maoist victims, should be able to see this.
However, I did not ask you about all this. I just asked you the question that I will now restate for your convenience. Please answer it.
Why weren't the navy mutineers who stood up against the British rulers compensated or re-employed by our glorious Indian government?
“Have you yourself conducted an investigation and reached your conclusion, boss?”
ReplyDeleteNo boss, I did not. Independent news agencies conducted the investigation and came to this conclusion about the murder of this mother & her 4 year old son.
About the issue of eradicating millions of human beings in wars and famines, ohh! In I don’t know recent time which democratic country created any man made famines. So let’s look at few famines created by communists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/05/maos-great-famine-dikotter-review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm
Your genius that so easily deduces the innocence of Maoist victims, should be able to see this.
I also want to know what crime they committed that they deserve death sentence. As long as I know there was a similar justice system of naxalite in Cambodia. They used to call themselves khamer rough. Where they used to believe for every mistake a human commits deserve only death sentence. Look what great society they created.
http://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/skulls_khmer_rouge.jpg
http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00783/eng_khmer_rouge01_B_783165p.jpg
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Khmer1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UjDDoYQqeAw/TImUBjiFx-I/AAAAAAAAADI/FxTSEaczaWg/s1600/khmer-rouge1.jpg
Why weren't the navy mutineers who stood up against the British rulers compensated or re-employed by our glorious Indian government?
I am not fully aware of this story so why don’t you brief me up? Give me some articles link on this issue. And at this moment let me know one thing that did those sailors went to court? What was the verdict of court?
Ukraine famine is propaganda that was created by Hitler before German aggression in USSR.
ReplyDeleteWho are you again? Are you questioning dodging Jutsu master? Or are you Anonymous boss?
ReplyDelete"No boss, I did not. Independent news agencies conducted the investigation and came to this conclusion about the murder of this mother & her 4 year old son."
ReplyDeleteEven though the police didn't? Considering that the Maoists are the biggest enemies of the Indian government, it is very unexpected to see that the police is not using the evidence from all these news agencies to accuse the Maoists. Or maybe your news agencies overdid it to such an extent that even the police are wary of agreeing with them and being ridiculed.
"About the issue of eradicating millions of human beings in wars and famines, ohh! In I don’t know recent time which democratic country created any man made famines. So let’s look at few famines created by communists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/05/maos-great-famine-dikotter-review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm"
Your unquestionable knowledge of world-history never ceases to amaze me boss! However it's a bit funny that you remember famines in Ukraine, China and Korea but not the ones in your own country. Below I have linked to a list of Indian famines under British capitalism. And about "democracy", oh yes they were democratic enough to "grant" us independence or conduct "democratic" elections even before that.
"I also want to know what crime they committed that they deserve death sentence. As long as I know there was a similar justice system of naxalite in Cambodia. They used to call themselves khamer rough. Where they used to believe for every mistake a human commits deserve only death sentence. Look what great society they created.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.worldproutassembly.org/images/skulls_khmer_rouge.jpg
http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00783/eng_khmer_rouge01_B_783165p.jpg
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Boss, now you are shaming me by wanting to know stuff from me. I already told you that I am not wise enough to satisfy your quest for knowledge. So I don't have these answers for you. I only noticed that in case of labeling Maoist victims innocent etc. you are going way ahead of the media or the government itself. Also about your "khamer rough", I don't really know how rough they were, but I have the uncanny feeling that no naxalite ever went to Cambodia, let alone build a justice system there.
Great Boss!! I have to admit that I really admire your question dodging fact denying jutsu,
ReplyDelete“Even though the police didn't? Considering that the Maoists are the biggest enemies of the Indian government, it is very unexpected to see that the police is not using the evidence from all these news agencies to accuse the Maoists. Or maybe your news agencies overdid it to such an extent that even the police are wary of agreeing with them and being ridiculed.”
Well I want to inform you that in this certain case the police & independent news agencies accused Maoist for this murder, and the local Maoist leader also claimed the responsibility for it. So may be your question dodging fact denying jutsu isn’t enough to hide their crime.
“Your unquestionable knowledge of world-history never ceases to amaze me boss! However it's a bit funny that you remember famines in Ukraine, China and Korea but not the ones in your own country. Below I have linked to a list of Indian famines under British capitalism. And about "democracy", oh yes they were democratic enough to "grant" us independence or conduct "democratic" elections even before that.”
I wonder how your question dodging fact denying jutsu ignore the fact about the famines in Ukraine, China and North Korea created by the Communist leaders/system. And maybe you are also ignoring the fact with your Jutsu that under British rule we/common Indian people don’t had the right to vote.
“Boss, now you are shaming me by wanting to know stuff from me. I already told you that I am not wise enough to satisfy your quest for knowledge. So I don't have these answers for you. I only noticed that in case of labeling Maoist victims innocent etc. you are going way ahead of the media or the government itself.”
Sorry I forgot that you are on question dodging fact denying jutsu mode, and in this mode you can only ignore the facts. Even though the news on evening news on national television telecasting this news. We/I can’t ask the reason what crime those innocent villagers committed that they get death sentence.
Or maybe is it a fact that Mao ze Dong created this rule where asking question mean is going ahead of yourself? May be our question dodging fact denying jutsu master will answer it, or he will ignore it as usual with his greatest Jutsu.
Ohh!! Last but not least Boss
I never said that naxalite went to Cambodia and brought this ideology in their back pack. What I said that both of Naxalite/Maoist & Khmer rouge have a very high resemblance in both of their Justice system, where death sentence is the only punishment in their book.
By the way that’s a good Jutsu you know, even the shaolin monks will be jealous of you. Keep it up; some day it will help you to archive something great.
"Great Boss!! I have to admit that I really admire your question dodging fact denying jutsu, Well I want to inform you that in this certain case the police & independent news agencies accused Maoist for this murder, and the local Maoist leader also claimed the responsibility for it. So may be your question dodging fact denying jutsu isn’t enough to hide their crime."
ReplyDeleteWell boss to be honest what you yourself have been doing so far is not only question dodging fact denying jutsu, but also debating jujutsu. I had asked only one question to you, remember? It was about the Indian navy revolt. From there you went to Ukraine, Korea and China. Your intellect it truly global. Oh yes, and sources for your above claims, please.
"I wonder how your question dodging fact denying jutsu ignore the fact about the famines in Ukraine, China and North Korea created by the Communist leaders/system. And maybe you are also ignoring the fact with your Jutsu that under British rule we/common Indian people don’t had the right to vote."
No boss, I ignored nothing. But if you try to answer a question about the Indian naval mutiny by exploding your knowledge bombs on far away Ukraine or Korea, then from now on whenever you bring up naxalites or other communists, I will be tempted to talk about the space probes to Mars. Oh and I think you are somewhat unaware of the fact that the first elections in India, yes, where the common people voted, were held under the British rule.
"Sorry I forgot that you are on question dodging fact denying jutsu mode, and in this mode you can only ignore the facts. Even though the news on evening news on national television telecasting this news. We/I can’t ask the reason what crime those innocent villagers committed that they get death sentence. Or maybe is it a fact that Mao ze Dong created this rule where asking question mean is going ahead of yourself? May be our question dodging fact denying jutsu master will answer it, or he will ignore it as usual with his greatest Jutsu."
Tsk tsk boss! You are unleashing your thirst for knowledge at the wrong place. Of course you can ask anything you want. But ask it to someone who knows. I already told you that I don't. Now since you have failed so far to answer my question, perhaps you should also admit that you don't have an answer?
"Ohh!! Last but not least Boss I never said that naxalite went to Cambodia and brought this ideology in their back pack. What I said that both of Naxalite/Maoist & Khmer rouge have a very high resemblance in both of their Justice system, where death sentence is the only punishment in their book."
ReplyDeleteOkay I understand your claim now. I also see a very high resemblence between the noble British Raj and our equally glorious Indian government, where starvation and injustice seem to be the order of the day.
"By the way that’s a good Jutsu you know, even the shaolin monks will be jealous of you. Keep it up; some day it will help you to archive something great."
I am only a humble man boss. I do not have the callibre to achieve anything but to be blessed by the touch of your aura of brilliance. Please answer my question or, who knows, those evil Maoists will probably laugh at honest government-loving patriots like you and me? I am stating my question below yet again:
Why weren't the navy mutineers who stood up against the British rulers compensated or re-employed by our glorious Indian government?
Why don’t you look 8 comments above this comment and look at bottom of that comment. I know my English is very bad; however I think I answered on that issue. If you weren’t that busy to deploy your question dodging fact denying jutsu then you would probably see that.
ReplyDelete“Okay I understand your claim now. I also see a very high resemblence between the noble British Raj and our equally glorious Indian government, where starvation and injustice seem to be the order of the day.”
Yep you are right, that British Raj & Indian government has a high resemblance. There is no doubt about it. It’s because our present is connected to the past, and how do we erase our past? Should we erase our past the way Chinese are erasing Tiananmen Square massacre? Don’t worry I won’t unleash my thirst for knowledge at the wrong place.
“Please answer my question or, who knows, those evil Maoists will probably laugh at honest government-loving patriots like you and me?”
I don’t know about you but I don’t think I am a very government loving person. And about the issue of patriots, I don’t think your overwhelming humbleness will let you understand what patriotism is to me.
By the way carry on your question dodging fact denying jutsu!! It’s really a good one. :)
its a very sad incident .
ReplyDeleteIn our country what the army do with the people of their country .
They treat the villagers as terrorist.
Rahul
Sector 143, Noida Apartment / Flat
"I don’t know about you but I don’t think I am a very government loving person. And about the issue of patriots, I don’t think your overwhelming humbleness will let you understand what patriotism is to me."
ReplyDeleteYou're oh so full of surprises boss! If you're not a very government loving person then should I assume that all of your posts are based on auto-reverse psychology?
"By the way carry on your question dodging fact denying jutsu!! It’s really a good one. :)"
Actually it's quite obvious who has been engaging in the above mentioned activities. I am not the one who denied that there were elections in British India. And in dodging questions, you are really "the" boss. So here is another question for you to dodge and amuse yourself:
What were the significant economic policies that were implemented post-independence to prevent the export of capital from other countries to India, which was the defining feature of the colonization of India?
Let's see whether you answer this, dodge it or admit that you don't have an answer. Eagerly awaiting your move, boss.
"Yep you are right, that British Raj & Indian government has a high resemblance. There is no doubt about it. It’s because our present is connected to the past, and how do we erase our past? Should we erase our past the way Chinese are erasing Tiananmen Square massacre? Don’t worry I won’t unleash my thirst for knowledge at the wrong place."
ReplyDeletePardon me boss, but is your claim what it apparently seems to be or is it just more of your bad English? Apparently you want Indian workers and peasants to starve because that will keep things just like the way they were under the British Raj, and you're angry with the Chinese because they are not repeating the Tienanmen Square massacre. You seem to be very proud of the resemblance between the pre and post independence governments of India!
“You're oh so full of surprises boss! If you're not a very government loving person then should I assume that all of your posts are based on auto-reverse psychology?”
ReplyDeleteWell my Government Loving patriotic friend has you ever found any post of my where I show my Love for any certain government? If you get out of your hallucination then please try to find one and quote it for me.
“What were the significant economic policies that were implemented post-independence to prevent the export of capital from other countries to India, which was the defining feature of the colonization of India?”
we have in progress with globalization by which now we can import Oil, Coal, technology, medicines etc. by improving trade now we able to deliver much more jobs to our common people. And if we don’t do that then we will sit back on our minerals & natural resources without Oil, Coal, technology, medicines and jobless people.
“Pardon me boss, but is your claim what it apparently seems to be or is it just more of your bad English? Apparently you want Indian workers and peasants to starve because that will keep things just like the way they were under the British Raj, and you're angry with the Chinese because they are not repeating the Tienanmen Square massacre. You seem to be very proud of the resemblance between the pre and post independence governments of India!”
ReplyDeleteOnce again you are making a wrong meaning of my words. What I am saying is our present is connected with our past.
As example: In ancient time our Indian society wasn’t conservative to women, but after the invasion of Muslim rulers and with their influence the parda system was implemented on the women, and our society became conservative to women. Till now our society is conservative to women. You can like it or hate it but you can’t deny it.
Similarly lot’s of our governing system came from British raj. You can like it or hate it but you can’t deny it.
As more and more women are getting awareness to their right the conservating society is changing, and I believe as more and more people get awareness to their right our governing system will change with it. Similarly ripping of burqa from Muslim women like Francis government or hiding the truth of Tiananmen Square from Chinese people like Chinese government won’t solve anything.
“Your words were ambiguous there, so I gave you something to read. However from your response now it seems that you want to admit that you don't have the answer. I sure am a bit surprised by this, boss, because the answer is somewhat analytical, and quite easy to deduce. However, to prevent further ambiguity, I am asking you to clearly state whether you can answer my question or not. Just give a yes or no reply to this.”
What you gave me to read? I don’ see any link in your post? And how can I comment on something that I am not fully aware of? How? And yes I can answer your question after getting aware of the issue. So aware me about this issue ASAP. :)
"Well my Government Loving patriotic friend has you ever found any post of my where I show my Love for any certain government? If you get out of your hallucination then please try to find one and quote it for me."
ReplyDeleteIs the CRPF an NGO nowadays? I used to think otherwise boss.
"we have in progress with globalization by which now we can import Oil, Coal, technology, medicines etc. by improving trade now we able to deliver much more jobs to our common people. And if we don’t do that then we will sit back on our minerals & natural resources without Oil, Coal, technology, medicines and jobless people."
In context to my question, your answer implies that the basic colonial economic structure of India, defined by the export of capital from developed countries to India, and the flow of raw materials from India to those countries, has remained unaltered. Do you realize this? Are you consciously advocating colonialism?
"Once again you are making a wrong meaning of my words. What I am saying is our present is connected with our past. As example: In ancient time our Indian society wasn’t conservative to women, but after the invasion of Muslim rulers and with their influence the parda system was implemented on the women, and our society became conservative to women. Till now our society is conservative to women. You can like it or hate it but you can’t deny it. Similarly lot’s of our governing system came from British raj. You can like it or hate it but you can’t deny it."
ReplyDeleteOkay, now you're admitting that "lots" of our governing system came from the British Raj. Good. Furthermore in your earlier post you failed to show any difference between the economies of pre and post independence India in terms of flow of capital and raw materials. Also, we saw how the so called democratic electoral system of today had a non-conflicting intersection with the British Raj. Therefore the only logical conclusion that we can reach is that India is still a colony in essence, only in a more indirect form.
"As more and more women are getting awareness to their right the conservating society is changing, and I believe as more and more people get awareness to their right our governing system will change with it. Similarly ripping of burqa from Muslim women like Francis government or hiding the truth of Tiananmen Square from Chinese people like Chinese government won’t solve anything."
You are the greatest philosopher of today, boss. Seriously!
"What you gave me to read? I don’ see any link in your post? And how can I comment on something that I am not fully aware of? How? And yes I can answer your question after getting aware of the issue. So aware me about this issue ASAP. :)"
Okay, my bad here. I did not notice that the last section of my post hadn't been saved. Here is the wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Indian_Navy_Mutiny
“Is the CRPF an NGO nowadays? I used to think otherwise boss.”
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you think CRPF is a similar organization like NGO? They are different types of organization for different tasks. Comparing CRPF with NGO is like comparing software engineer with Mechanical engineer.
“In context to my question, your answer implies that the basic colonial economic structure of India, defined by the export of capital from developed countries to India, and the flow of raw materials from India to those countries, has remained unaltered. Do you realize this? Are you consciously advocating colonialism?”
To be honest I didn’t get your boss. Should we stop importing Coal, Oil, Technology, Medical instrument etc? and if we had to import things from other people then how do we pay them back? When trading become colonialism? Everyone do that? What’s wrong with it? That’s Basic!!! We all human buy/sell work, intelligence, idea, goods etc. it’s from the beginning of civilization. What’s wrong if our country do trading with other country?
“Okay, now you're admitting that "lots" of our governing system came from the British Raj. Good. Furthermore in your earlier post you failed to show any difference between the economies of pre and post independence India in terms of flow of capital and raw materials. Also, we saw how the so called democratic electoral system of today had a non-conflicting intersection with the British Raj. Therefore the only logical conclusion that we can reach is that India is still a colony in essence, only in a more indirect form.”
I don’t get it either. How economy & democratic electoral system can be the same thing? Can you plz explain me in brief?
*My English is not very good, so I will appreciate if you explain me things in simple way. Few examples will be good.
“You are the greatest philosopher of today, boss. Seriously!”
How can I become philosopher when I never read any book of philosophy? No offence to any philosopher but I think the philosophy things are nothing but a crap.
“Okay, my bad here. I did not notice that the last section of my post hadn't been saved. Here is the wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Indian_Navy_Mutiny”
No problem, things like this happened all the time. Thanks for the link. I have to read the story first; I will get back you on this subject within a day or two.
"What makes you think CRPF is a similar organization like NGO? They are different types of organization for different tasks. Comparing CRPF with NGO is like comparing software engineer with Mechanical engineer."
ReplyDeleteQuite true. So what should I make of your posts cheering the CRPF? Thought you claimed that you didn't show "love" for any kind of government? You don't know what colonialism means, you don't know the history of India well, you are not aware of basic economic theories, yet you do not hesitate to take sides in a situation that requires thorough knowledge of all of the above to analyze? From this I can only conclude that Shakespeare's Juliet would be ashamed to see your unwavering blind love for the government-CRPF Romeo.
"To be honest I didn’t get your boss. Should we stop importing Coal, Oil, Technology, Medical instrument etc? and if we had to import things from other people then how do we pay them back? When trading become colonialism? Everyone do that? What’s wrong with it? That’s Basic!!! We all human buy/sell work, intelligence, idea, goods etc. it’s from the beginning of civilization. What’s wrong if our country do trading with other country?"
Do your homework in history to see the difference between colonialism and trading. What was India's role in international trade before the colonial period? Even before you go through your books to find the answers to these questions, you should be able to realize that evicting original inhabitants who should be exercising their natural right of property over the minerals underground, is not trading; it's robbery.
"I don’t get it either. How economy & democratic electoral system can be the same thing? Can you plz explain me in brief? My English is not very good, so I will appreciate if you explain me things in simple way. Few examples will be good."
Alright. This is why I was asking you to keep the discussion to the point instead of bringing in off-topic subjects. For now, forget the relation between economics and politics, because that was the major point I wanted to make. Answer the following questions explained in simple words. The politics of colonists and nationalists should be extremely opposed to each other. Therefore it is only logical to expect that the corresponding political systems cannot co-exist; not at the same place and time. So, the British Raj and any democratic electoral system of India are expected not to co-exist. Keeping this in mind, can you logically explain why the British Raj allowed elections in India before independence? Also, why did they pass an act to quit India, almost as if they voluntarily granted us independence without a fight? Did the British government that had fed on Indian flesh and blood for two centuries suddenly have a change of heart?
"How can I become philosopher when I never read any book of philosophy? No offence to any philosopher but I think the philosophy things are nothing but a crap."
That is okay, but please consider reading something on Indian history whenever you have the time.
"No problem, things like this happened all the time. Thanks for the link. I have to read the story first; I will get back you on this subject within a day or two."
You're most welcome. Happy reading!
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ReplyDelete“Quite true. So what should I make of your posts cheering the CRPF? Thought you claimed that you didn't show "love" for any kind of government? You don't know what colonialism means, you don't know the history of India well, you are not aware of basic economic theories, yet you do not hesitate to take sides in a situation that requires thorough knowledge of all of the above to analyze? From this I can only conclude that Shakespeare's Juliet would be ashamed to see your unwavering blind love for the government-CRPF Romeo.”
ReplyDeleteMy Government Loving patriotic friend, so from your prospective of view CRPF is the Government, and here I thought those are two different things. So hypothetically what you are saying that, if anyone cheers for government sponsored national football/hokey team then that will make them government lover too? But it doesn’t make any sense how football team or CRPF is Government. Probably CRPF is government for you and you love it too much. :)
“Do your homework in history to see the difference between colonialism and trading. What was India's role in international trade before the colonial period? Even before you go through your books to find the answers to these questions, you should be able to realize that evicting original inhabitants who should be exercising their natural right of property over the minerals underground, is not trading; it's robbery.”
You are only rising up some old memories, once I asked my communist teacher in class that sir if tomorrow I found a diamond mine under my house then will I be the owner of that mine? And my communist teacher told me that NO!! It will be a National property and every citizen of India will have equal share in that mine. As citizen of India you also have equal share of all the natural resources.
As an example he told us to look at the Saudi Arabia society where only few sekh and sah live privileged life and rest of them not. In our country we don’t found minerals under every village, so those few who are lucky enough to born over those mines will enjoy privileged life and rest of us live in misery. And eventually it will create a jamindari Raj.
And he also told us that for greater interest for public like Dam, road, Rail line or Mining government has full right to relocate people.
Now after reading your post I think how wrong my communist teacher was. How much he doesn’t know. He was the biggest hypocrite of all time.
After searching all night on internet I didn’t found how colonialism & trading is the same thing or trading of object or service is bad for society. I think you can explain me this issue in a simple way.
“Keeping this in mind, can you logically explain why the British Raj allowed elections in India before independence? Also, why did they pass an act to quit India, almost as if they voluntarily granted us independence without a fight? Did the British government that had fed on Indian flesh and blood for two centuries suddenly have a change of heart?”
ReplyDeleteYou have a point my friend, why it took them 200 years? They could give us democracy much earlier. They could give us right to vote & protest against government right after invading India, and get back home England. Why it take them so long?
“Therefore it is only logical to expect that the corresponding political systems cannot co-exist; not at the same place and time. So, the British Raj and any democratic electoral system of India are expected not to co-exist.”
Well as long as I know there is lots of ideology co-exist in democracy. In the democracy of India you will find different types of ideology, there is secular ideology, there is religious ideology, there is communist ideology, and there is capitalist ideology. Every types of ideology have the right to co-exist in democracy, unless they choose the path of killing.
About the Royal Indian Navy Mutiny I didn’t get enough info from this wiki link. And I don’t understand after independence whether they went to civil court with their demand or not. And what was the verdict of civil court? So can you plz give me more link about this issue?
"My Government Loving patriotic friend, so from your prospective of view CRPF is the Government, and here I thought those are two different things. So hypothetically what you are saying that, if anyone cheers for government sponsored national football/hokey team then that will make them government lover too? But it doesn’t make any sense how football team or CRPF is Government. Probably CRPF is government for you and you love it too much. :)"
ReplyDeleteMy not so government loving patriotic boss, you are missing a very big point here. The primary duty of a government of any country is not play football or hockey, but to look after its citizens, to protect them and provide them justice, and every government maintains several organizations which are supposed to achieve these. These organizations are the functioning pillars of any government, whatever be its real goals. Therefore supporting the judicial system or armed forces maintained by a government indeed amounts to supporting the government. Not so much in the case of football or hockey teams though.
"You are only rising up some old memories, once I asked my communist teacher in class that sir if tomorrow I found a diamond mine under my house then will I be the owner of that mine? And my communist teacher told me that NO!! It will be a National property and every citizen of India will have equal share in that mine. As citizen of India you also have equal share of all the natural resources. As an example he told us to look at the Saudi Arabia society where only few sekh and sah live privileged life and rest of them not. In our country we don’t found minerals under every village, so those few who are lucky enough to born over those mines will enjoy privileged life and rest of us live in misery. And eventually it will create a jamindari Raj. And he also told us that for greater interest for public like Dam, road, Rail line or Mining government has full right to relocate people. Now after reading your post I think how wrong my communist teacher was. How much he doesn’t know. He was the biggest hypocrite of all time. After searching all night on internet I didn’t found how colonialism & trading is the same thing or trading of object or service is bad for society. I think you can explain me this issue in a simple way. "
With due respect for your teacher, I must say that he failed to teach you about this topic properly. Though I see that you have mentioned the point, you clearly have not understood its importance. If you live on a diamond mine and you accept services from your government or even your neighbours agreeing to exchange your diamonds for them, then they can certainly claim a share of your diamonds. But what if you don't get or want practically any such service from the greater society? Then of course they will not have the right to claim your property. Unless they deceive or rob you and acquire that right by force, that is.
"After searching all night on internet I didn’t found how colonialism & trading is the same thing or trading of object or service is bad for society. I think you can explain me this issue in a simple way. "
ReplyDeleteSure. But first find out exactly what India used to trade before the colonial era. Compare it with what we trade now. Then we will get back to this.
"You have a point my friend, why it took them 200 years? They could give us democracy much earlier. They could give us right to vote & protest against government right after invading India, and get back home England. Why it take them so long?"
That is a secondary question, though we will derive its answer from the original question itself. But first tell me, can you answer the original question? Why did they conduct elections at all?
"Well as long as I know there is lots of ideology co-exist in democracy. In the democracy of India you will find different types of ideology, there is secular ideology, there is religious ideology, there is communist ideology, and there is capitalist ideology. Every types of ideology have the right to co-exist in democracy, unless they choose the path of killing."
Ideology and a full-fledged political or socio-economic system are a bit different. Yes, there can be people living under a democracy who want a dictatorship, but a dictatorship and democracy cannot co-exist in a single place at a single time. Moreover, in India before the so called independence, the example of elections implies the existence of a democracy inside a dictatorship, which is logically impossible as it contradicts the very defining features of a dictatorship.
"About the Royal Indian Navy Mutiny I didn’t get enough info from this wiki link. And I don’t understand after independence whether they went to civil court with their demand or not. And what was the verdict of civil court? So can you plz give me more link about this issue? "
I will look for more material if I can, though this is a very suppressed historical event. But tell me boss, why are you so interested in courts? Have you ever tried to find out if any victims of some revolutionary communist movement has ever gone to any court run by the same communist government?
So plz explain me that how can cheering for a pillar makes someone that building lover? Plz let me know the logic hat define that if anyone like one pillar then he will like other pillars or the top floor of that building. In the social sciences, the term government refers to the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy who control a state at a given time, and to the system of government by which they are organized. From which point of view it seems that the CRPF is the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy?
ReplyDeleteWell lots of people live on footpath, is that make the footpath their property? Do we have to serve them to walk on footpath?
It still didn’t answer the link between colonialism & trading?
As long as I know they gave us the right of election to cool down our freedom movement. And keep the promise that they will give us independence after winning the Second World War.
Ideology is the root of full-fledged political or socio-economic system. As long as different ideology is there people have the choice of try different governing system. If there is only one ideology remains then people don’t have that opportunity.
What I want to know did they tried all possible option to get their demand? Whether they challenged the decision of government at civil court? Or did they silently accept the decision of government?
"So plz explain me that how can cheering for a pillar makes someone that building lover? Plz let me know the logic hat define that if anyone like one pillar then he will like other pillars or the top floor of that building. In the social sciences, the term government refers to the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy who control a state at a given time, and to the system of government by which they are organized. From which point of view it seems that the CRPF is the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy?"
ReplyDeleteYour sense of expressions is seriously admirable, boss. Anyways, your pillar-loving building-hating story aside, it will be worthwhile to see that the armed forces are one of the key elements of any government and their actions coordinate with the overall actions of the government. So you cannot admire the armed forces without admiring the government. Unless you have some kind of pillar-fetish or something similar, that is.
"Well lots of people live on footpath, is that make the footpath their property? Do we have to serve them to walk on footpath?"
This clearly shows the enormous amount of respect you have for our tribal community, boss. Please tell me, which government built the forests? Or do footpaths sprout up through the ages just like trees?
"It still didn’t answer the link between colonialism & trading?"
Colonialism under capitalism economically means that a colony will be treated as a market for finished goods and a resource pool of raw materials. The corresponding flow can involve circulation of money, but the use of military and political force will be the determining factor. You can call it trade if you like, but it is imposed trade at best.
"As long as I know they gave us the right of election to cool down our freedom movement. And keep the promise that they will give us independence after winning the Second World War. Ideology is the root of full-fledged political or socio-economic system. As long as different ideology is there people have the choice of try different governing system. If there is only one ideology remains then people don’t have that opportunity."
Let's get your basics correct first. Democracy implies freedom for the common people and dictatorship implies the opposite. Can these two systems co-exist at a single place? Can people be free and not free at the same time?
"What I want to know did they tried all possible option to get their demand? Whether they challenged the decision of government at civil court? Or did they silently accept the decision of government? "
Very good questions, but along these lines I too can ask whether the families or friends of those affected by Maoist violence have gone to Maoist courts or not. Don't you think that they should have tried "all possible options" to get justice? Or does being attacked or denounced by a whole system kinda predict the outcome of its judicial proceedings?
Your pillar-fetish explanation doesn’t really explain that CRPF is the Government or not? Did the CRPF meet the term that government refers to? Is CRPF is the legislators, administrators, and arbitrators in the administrative bureaucracy who control a state at a given time?
ReplyDeleteYou are right that it is one of key elements of any government. Similarly it is also true that wife is also a key element of mother in law. Without the mother she can’t came to this world. So when anyone express his love to his wife, is it mean that he is expressing his love to his mother in law?
Another example.
When mumbaikar cheers for NSG commando who stopped the 26/11 Mumbai Massacre, are they expressing their love for government? Is the father of major Unni krishnan who is proud of his son is in love with government?
So plz tell me is India’s arm forces is the government to you?
My enormous amount of respect for our tribal community doesn’t answer the question that whether the people live on footpath is the owner of the footpath or not?
In that sense the America & Europe is becoming colony of India & China. Trading comes from people’s necessity to exchange things to make their life better. In that sense in modern world the colonialism & trading has no relation.
Democracy and dictatorship co-exist together. Look at Egypt, Iran, Turkey or West Bengal. Here dictatorship stayed together with democracy.
In India in many Cases the court overruled the decision of government. In this country government’s decision is not the final one. So I want to know whether they went to Court or not?
"You are right that it is one of key elements of any government. Similarly it is also true that wife is also a key element of mother in law. Without the mother she can’t came to this world. So when anyone express his love to his wife, is it mean that he is expressing his love to his mother in law?"
ReplyDeleteI almost fell off my chair when I read this. I am resisting the temptation of posting an appropriate reply to this example of yours, because I do not want to engage in anything that might qualify even as a mild personal insult along these lines. Henceforth please consider refraining from posting your original examples and comparisons.
"Another example.
When mumbaikar cheers for NSG commando who stopped the 26/11 Mumbai Massacre, are they expressing their love for government? Is the father of major Unni krishnan who is proud of his son is in love with government?"
Yet more gems. First of all a mention of the irrational support for those whose organizational shortcomings allowed the attacks to happen at the first place, and next an attempt to push personal bonds into the arena. Tell me boss, are those CRPF men somehow related to you? Distant cousins may be?
"So plz tell me is India’s arm forces is the government to you?"
Where have I made this exact claim?
"My enormous amount of respect for our tribal community doesn’t answer the question that whether the people live on footpath is the owner of the footpath or not?"
Don't your cognitive abilities allow you to distinguish between a footpath and a forest or is this just another random question?
"In that sense the America & Europe is becoming colony of India & China. Trading comes from people’s necessity to exchange things to make their life better. In that sense in modern world the colonialism & trading has no relation."
ReplyDeletePlease explain how in "that sense" America and Europe are becoming colonies of India. Since you have claimed this, you are now liable to show how India's imports from Europe and America consist mainly of raw materials, and how India's exports to the above mentioned regions of the world consist mainly of finished goods.
"Democracy and dictatorship co-exist together. Look at Egypt, Iran, Turkey or West Bengal. Here dictatorship stayed together with democracy."
Apart from displaying your incomparable knowledge about world events yet again, what you are doing here is special pleading. You are ignoring the meanings of dictatorship and democracy, and pointing to cases which you interpret as proof of your claim. What you have stated implies that people can be free and not free at the same time, which is a logical impossibility. So, take time to think before you post further, because just now you have proved that you do not know the meaning of freedom or dictatorship and how these two are mutually opposed.
"In India in many Cases the court overruled the decision of government. In this country government’s decision is not the final one. So I want to know whether they went to Court or not? "
Again we have a bit of special pleading from you. These so called anti-government decisions of the court are a very small fraction of what comes out of our judicial system, and usually these cannot be seen in the absence of organized mass movements. So your route to refuge in the arms of the divine Indian system is blocked in this case. Don't even think of blaming our national heroes for not going through the mockery of justice that our judicial system is.
“Where have I made this exact claim?”
ReplyDeleteWell You Said Cheering for CRPF = Cheering for Government. Isn’t it means that CRPF is Government for You?
“Don't your cognitive abilities allow you to distinguish between a footpath and a forest or is this just another random question?”
Nice way to dodge the question, so I am asking again…. whether the people live on footpath is the owner of the footpath or not? Do we have to serve them to walk on footpath?
“Please explain how in "that sense" America and Europe are becoming colonies of India. Since you have claimed this, you are now liable to show how India's imports from Europe and America consist mainly of raw materials, and how India's exports to the above mentioned regions of the world consist mainly of finished goods.”
Both India & China marketing finish goods like IT service, garments, car and thousands of other merchandise to USA & Europe.
“Apart from displaying your incomparable knowledge about world events yet again, what you are doing here is special pleading. You are ignoring the meanings of dictatorship and democracy, and pointing to cases which you interpret as proof of your claim. What you have stated implies that people can be free and not free at the same time, which is a logical impossibility. So, take time to think before you post further, because just now you have proved that you do not know the meaning of freedom or dictatorship and how these two are mutually opposed.”
Ok, plz show me a country where true democracy exists.
“Again we have a bit of special pleading from you. These so called anti-government decisions of the court are a very small fraction of what comes out of our judicial system, and usually these cannot be seen in the absence of organized mass movements. So your route to refuge in the arms of the divine Indian system is blocked in this case. Don't even think of blaming our national heroes for not going through the mockery of justice that our judicial system is.”
Few months back I read a similar story where government refused to give a Bangladesh war hero proper compensation & promotion, and he appealed to the court and he got justice. So I refuse to believe that only mass movement requires to get justice.
"Well You Said Cheering for CRPF = Cheering for Government. Isn’t it means that CRPF is Government for You?"
ReplyDeleteI made it quite clear that the CRPF is a machinery inseparable from the government. That does not make it the whole of the government.
"Nice way to dodge the question, so I am asking again…. whether the people live on footpath is the owner of the footpath or not? Do we have to serve them to walk on footpath?"
It seems that you had some difficulty in comprehending my reply, a fact that you are trying to cover up by accusing me of dodging your question. So I will be really patient with you as usual and explain what I posted earlier yet again. Read very carefully. To be precise, you are comparing the ancestral homes and workplaces of the Indian tribal communities with those of urban footpath dwellers, and trying to establish the falsehood that since we do not have to take permission from or compensate footpath dwellers for
using the footpaths, the government has full rights to oust the tribals from the forests. The bankruptcy of your stand is crystal clear anyways, but your story is still missing something that I will add to it now. Is it okay for you if someone "walks" all over your home, your workplace and then throws you out of them? That situation will be somewhat closer to the tribal-displacement question.
"Ok, plz show me a country where true democracy exists."
ReplyDeleteShould I deduce that by asking this question you are confirming that India is not a true democracy, and it is far enough from the concept of true democracy to be nurtured by and co-exist with a racist dictatorship?
"Few months back I read a similar story where government refused to give a Bangladesh war hero proper compensation & promotion, and he appealed to the court and he got justice. So I refuse to believe that only mass movement requires to get justice."
The biggest difference between the two is that one was pro-regime and the other was anti-regime. The Bangladesh war is something in which the Indian government consciously engaged, and the naval mutiny was something that all but one prominent national leaders opposed. So they cannot be compared and as usual your example is irrelevant, no matter what you choose or refuse to believe based on that.
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